I've Always Been a Tomlin Supporter BUT......

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  • Tomlinator
    Backup
    • Feb 2009
    • 193

    #61
    I know I’m in the minority here, but I didn’t mind thefake field goal. And I was ok with notgoing for it and taking 3 at the end. Butno need to be fancy – leave Ben out there and let him work.

    But you can’t come back from gifting a short field withthose 3 interceptions. *cough*passinterference*cough* That killed us on a day we seemed to move upand down the field.

    The D has been playing beyond expectations for the mostpart but yesterday reverted to what we feared they would be this year.


    Last edited by Tomlinator; 11-30-2015, 12:07 PM.

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    • Oviedo
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 23824

      #62
      Originally posted by Tomlinator
      I know I’m in the minority here, but I didn’t mind thefake field goal. And I was ok with notgoing for it and taking 3 at the end. Butno need to be fancy – leave Ben out there and let him work.

      But you can’t come back from gifting a short field withthose 3 interceptions. *cough*passinterference*cough* That killed us on a day we seemed to move upand down the field.

      The D has been playing beyond expectations for the mostpart but yesterday reverted to what we feared they would be this year.



      I agree and I think the "silent majority" would agree also
      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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      • Oviedo
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 23824

        #63
        Originally posted by Ghost
        China doll?
        "Injury prone"

        "head trauma"
        "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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        • papillon
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 11340

          #64
          I didn't have a problem with the fake, but, as always I would rather have our #1 unit on the field to go for it. As much as I would rather have Ben and company on the field to go for it, LJ has to understand that overthrowing the ball is better than under-throwing the ball, its either a TD or incom0plete if its over thrown, under-thrown is an INT.

          Every team does this and I don't know why, they use the punter as the holder. I have never in all the years I have been watching football witnessed the holder getting kicked or injured and if it did happen it is so rare that using the punter in my estimation is dumb. You have a backup quarterback, he should be the damn holder, then if you decide to fake the FG he's already on the field and the defense can't determine what is happening simply by checking personnel.

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27564

            #65
            I didn't like the fake because it was obvious... why shift and show your hand?
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            • snarky
              Pro Bowler
              • Sep 2008
              • 1198

              #66
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              I didn't like the fake because it was obvious... why shift and show your hand?
              This.

              In general I don't like fake FG in the first half. My view is that a team should generally just go about its business in the first half and collect whatever points it can. Later in the game its worth trying fakes and so forth depending on the game situation. The call really changed the trajectory of the game .

              That said, if the Steelers saw a weakness on the Seahawks standard FG set, then fine try to exploit it. But once they reset it gave Carroll the opportunity to call a timeout if he saw a match-up he didn't like or wasn't ready for. We were out there with 9 special teams guys, our back-up QB and our kicker. If Tomlin wanted to go for it from a set other than standard FG formation with the holder pulling out and passing, he might as well have brought the first string offense in for fourth down.

              Can't say I fault his calls down close to the goal line. Though it's a bit hard for me to understand why we go for two but don't go for the TD when we are just as close or closer.
              Last edited by snarky; 11-30-2015, 12:44 PM.
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              • papillon
                Legend
                • Mar 2008
                • 11340

                #67
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                I didn't like the fake because it was obvious... why shift and show your hand?
                That's part of my previous post, IMO, there's no reason for your backup quarterback not to be the holder (You know, don't live in your fears). If you're willing at times to risk AB as a punt returner, then you should be willing to risk your backup QB to do the holding for extra points and FGs, if for no other reason, when there's a bad snap you at least get a snow ball's chance in hell to make a play with a quarterback, I doubt Berry even knows how to hold the damn ball to throw a pass. Using the backup QB allows you to disguise your fake attempt from your actual attempt much better, you don't need a shift, you simply let Jones take the snap and become a quarterback.

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                The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                • WindyCitySteel
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                  • Nov 2011
                  • 15684

                  #68
                  FYI, USC reached out to Chip Kelly and Jack Del Rio before settling on their new coach.

                  Wonder why they didn't contact a "top five NFL coach"?

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27564

                    #69
                    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                    FYI, USC reached out to Chip Kelly and Jack Del Rio before settling on their new coach.

                    Wonder why they didn't contact a "top five NFL coach"?
                    Chip Kelly sucks (in th eNFL)... lol. WTF, are you still hung over?

                    They contacted coaches who are on the chopping block.

                    I wonder why they didn't contact Bruce Arians, Billicheat and Ron Rivera either...
                    Last edited by feltdizz; 11-30-2015, 02:16 PM.
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                    • Ghost
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 6413

                      #70
                      They reached out to Chip Kelly because he was a wildly successful college coach. Some guys are just better in the NCAA than NFL (Saban, Spurrier). Probably feeling Kelly out to see if he was unhappy in the NFL. As for Del Rio - he played football for the Trojans. Reaching out to an alumni of the program doesn't prove anything. Just silly logic.
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                      • Slapstick
                        Rookie
                        • May 2008
                        • 0

                        #71
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        Slap doesn't erase Crash's post...
                        Correct. That is a gross overestimation of my power and importance here.
                        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                        • Chucktownsteeler
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 6847

                          #72
                          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                          Braindead.

                          The break in the quarter gave the Seahawks enough time to see Jones on the field.
                          "They checked to a defensive play," guard Ramon Foster said. "If the ball was a little bit higher, we score on that. They checked personnel, they saw there was another guy in. They're smart guys and that's how they played us."
                          Said Seattle coach Pete Carroll, "We were prepared and anticipated that they would do something in the kicking game. It was played just perfectly. It was a great play by Jeremy."
                          "They're smart guys"...... That sums it up.
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                          I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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                          • SidSmythe
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 4708

                            #73
                            I've had my 24 hr cool down.

                            I'm still annoyed with our coaching yesterday and it's better if I leave off my TV for a few days

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                            • Chucktownsteeler
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 6847

                              #74
                              Originally posted by papillon
                              That's part of my previous post, IMO, there's no reason for your backup quarterback not to be the holder (You know, don't live in your fears). If you're willing at times to risk AB as a punt returner, then you should be willing to risk your backup QB to do the holding for extra points and FGs, if for no other reason, when there's a bad snap you at least get a snow ball's chance in hell to make a play with a quarterback, I doubt Berry even knows how to hold the damn ball to throw a pass. Using the backup QB allows you to disguise your fake attempt from your actual attempt much better, you don't need a shift, you simply let Jones take the snap and become a quarterback.

                              Pappy
                              It wasn't even a true fake, doesn't matter who you had back there.
                              Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

                              I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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                              • Djfan
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 5184

                                #75
                                Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                                For some reason, if Tomlin went for the TD instead the FG and the offense didn't score then someone would question that decision. Basically, Tomlin is in a no win situation since the team didn't win.
                                No. If we didn't make the TD, we would have them pinned in deep in their territory. It's not a bad situation.
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