If Bell didnt get in

[7upnext]

By just about every measure and every expert who has real experience in the NFL as a player or front office staff Tomlin is a top 5 coach in this league. Haters can't deny the results over his tenure. They just can't stand to give him credit and try to make any success because of someone else and any failure because of Tomlin.

Reality is that Tomlin will be the Steelers coach for a very long tome and if when his tenure here ends here and if he still wants to coach he will be snapped up by another team almost immediately because the league know how good he is.

the majority of ex players who comprise the talking heads will support him ala Obama because he's black. You don't hear anything from F.O. people so stop. You do hear from ex coaches but they usually stick together and don't criticize their peers too much. The dude was so good that they didn't let him choose his coordinators when hired. He lucked out inheriting a team in place with a franchise QB and won a SB against maybe one of the worst SB teams in NFL history (ARI). A real team exposed him (GB). Since the previous regime's players have aged and left he's not led the team to a playoff win. He's a black Barry Switzer. I actually think Barry was more responsible for their SB win than Tomlin was for his. It's the Obama effect. He's a cool cat that people like. It clouds their judgement when it comes to his coaching. We have years of evidence that he's horrible at time management at the end of each half. He's failed to draft or develop a single good secondary player despite him being a supposed defensive back minded coach. Each year there are 2 or 3 losses to subpar teams we should have beat because of his awful leadership skills.

I'd welcome some instances of his good coaching. I know you won't provide it except to reiterate that he won a SB with Cowher players and coaches in place and Ben in his prime. But please. Tell me more about his great coaching. Examples of his great leadership, developer of talent, or gamesmanship that has made any positive impact these last years now that the team is primarily built under his umbrella. I'd love some real talk i.e. examples. But I'm sure we'll get nada except maybe an insult or two...belittlement...even calling me a racist. Been asking this question for years now and his fanboys NEVER have an answer..because there aren't any. It's all style no substance. I'll be waiting. Actually...I'll just move along because people don't change their minds about their idols. I have already stated I would become his biggest fan if he leads the team to the playoffs this season so I will change if that happens. But will any of you fanboys admit your wrong if we fail to win a playoff game for the 4th season and counting?

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Did someone say there's a way to ignore posters on this forum? I clicked on his name, but I didn't see any option like that.

[Slapstick]

Did someone say there's a way to ignore posters on this forum? I clicked on his name, but I didn't see any option like that.

You have to edit your own profile page. That is where your "edit ignore list" command is...just type in the user name of the racist you want to ignore and it ends up being very simple.

[Oviedo]

the majority of ex players who comprise the talking heads will support him ala Obama because he's black.

Well, you have revealed your real Tomlin issue

[feltdizz]

the majority of ex players who comprise the talking heads will support him ala Obama because he's black. You don't hear anything from F.O. people so stop. You do hear from ex coaches but they usually stick together and don't criticize their peers too much. The dude was so good that they didn't let him choose his coordinators when hired. He lucked out inheriting a team in place with a franchise QB and won a SB against maybe one of the worst SB teams in NFL history (ARI). A real team exposed him (GB). Since the previous regime's players have aged and left he's not led the team to a playoff win. He's a black Barry Switzer. I actually think Barry was more responsible for their SB win than Tomlin was for his. It's the Obama effect. He's a cool cat that people like. It clouds their judgement when it comes to his coaching. We have years of evidence that he's horrible at time management at the end of each half. He's failed to draft or develop a single good secondary player despite him being a supposed defensive back minded coach. Each year there are 2 or 3 losses to subpar teams we should have beat because of his awful leadership skills.

I'd welcome some instances of his good coaching. I know you won't provide it except to reiterate that he won a SB with Cowher players and coaches in place and Ben in his prime. But please. Tell me more about his great coaching. Examples of his great leadership, developer of talent, or gamesmanship that has made any positive impact these last years now that the team is primarily built under his umbrella. I'd love some real talk i.e. examples. But I'm sure we'll get nada except maybe an insult or two...belittlement...even calling me a racist. Been asking this question for years now and his fanboys NEVER have an answer..because there aren't any. It's all style no substance. I'll be waiting. Actually...I'll just move along because people don't change their minds about their idols. I have already stated I would become his biggest fan if he leads the team to the playoffs this season so I will change if that happens. But will any of you fanboys admit your wrong if we fail to win a playoff game for the 4th season and counting?

So does this mean the Steelers were a bad team when they went to their first SB? I don't get it, how did GB expose Tomlin? We weren't blown out or exposed, we simply lost to a good GB who prolly has the best QB in the game right now.

Tomlin isn't perfect, he definitely has his flaws, he is a human being. People like you need him to be God like or he is a failure and its probably because of his skin color.

Tomlin didn't get to choose his OC or DC when he was hired because it's how our FO operates. We have a system in place and anyone who is hired as our HC will be handcuffed for the first few years and given more control down the road.

You won't become his biggest fan of he leads us to the playoffs. people like you always move the goal post because you have a deficiency when it comes to seeing a Black Man at the top. When Ben had his suspension people said we would be lucky to win a game... we went 3-1. Its football, its a game... and the chances of winning are 50/50 and as long as Tomlin is winning more than 50% of his games he won't be fired so deal with it.

Now, the reason I say all this is because you brought up Tomlin and Obama and their skin color.

Thank you for showing your true colors. I won't call you a racist but you definitely have issues with race.

[papillon]

Well, you have revealed your real Tomlin issue

Its what most of the haters lean on, then they start with Cowher players won for him, couldn't hire his own OC and DC, in game adjustments, clock management, challenge flags, blah, blah, blah the same old crap over and over. I choose to ignore it and stay out of those threads. It makes my time on PS much more enjoyable.

Pappy

[Steelerphile]

the majority of ex players who comprise the talking heads will support him ala Obama because he's black. You don't hear anything from F.O. people so stop. You do hear from ex coaches but they usually stick together and don't criticize their peers too much. The dude was so good that they didn't let him choose his coordinators when hired. He lucked out inheriting a team in place with a franchise QB and won a SB against maybe one of the worst SB teams in NFL history (ARI). A real team exposed him (GB). Since the previous regime's players have aged and left he's not led the team to a playoff win. He's a black Barry Switzer. I actually think Barry was more responsible for their SB win than Tomlin was for his. It's the Obama effect. He's a cool cat that people like. It clouds their judgement when it comes to his coaching. We have years of evidence that he's horrible at time management at the end of each half. He's failed to draft or develop a single good secondary player despite him being a supposed defensive back minded coach. Each year there are 2 or 3 losses to subpar teams we should have beat because of his awful leadership skills.

I'd welcome some instances of his good coaching. I know you won't provide it except to reiterate that he won a SB with Cowher players and coaches in place and Ben in his prime. But please. Tell me more about his great coaching. Examples of his great leadership, developer of talent, or gamesmanship that has made any positive impact these last years now that the team is primarily built under his umbrella. I'd love some real talk i.e. examples. But I'm sure we'll get nada except maybe an insult or two...belittlement...even calling me a racist. Been asking this question for years now and his fanboys NEVER have an answer..because there aren't any. It's all style no substance. I'll be waiting. Actually...I'll just move along because people don't change their minds about their idols. I have already stated I would become his biggest fan if he leads the team to the playoffs this season so I will change if that happens. But will any of you fanboys admit your wrong if we fail to win a playoff game for the 4th season and counting?

You're a hardliner about race. I think WindyCity and Squidkid are also. You will never accept a black head coach. He is in his 9th season. You can't fake it for that long. The Steelers are 37 games over .500 during that time. Never had a losing season. In 2013 when they started 0-4 and were 2-6. Tomlin did not lose the team and they finished 8-8 and were a blown referee's call from a playoff berth. I'd call that good coaching and leadership. They manage to stay competitive when Big Ben is hurt. All this stuff about clock management is mostly trifles. Can you be specific about when this horrible clock management had an impact on the outcome of the game? Probably not. Switzer coached four seasons and had some success. He was a great college coach so he probably did have some impact in that success. But other than that he is white, can you be specific about why you think he had more impact than Tomlin. Probably not.

Crediting Cowher's players for everything is overly simplistic. Cowher's players were just capable NFL players like most teams have. They were not that magical. Tomlin did not inherit future hall-famers and probowlers at every position. 75% of them were gone three years later. Players have to be led and they wouldn't follow a fake, façade of a coach. I listen to Tomlin closely in the press conferences and the Tomlin show. He is a very smart coach, aware of all the oppositions strengths and weaknesses, and all the factors that go into winning. Plus he is a more aggressive coach than Cowher. Something that I like

The Steelers have developed a solid O-line, drafted several good receivers. Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Martavis Bryant, Markus Wheaton. Coached up Heyward-Bey. Drafted Stud runner Leveon Bell. Some good picks at linebacker, Timmons, Shazier, Bud Dupree, solid depth Spence and Williams. Lineman Heyward and Tuitt.

They haven't gotten that true stud in the defensive backfield; but they have concentrated more effort to other positions in the draft. They are still staying competitive and are not as
bad there even as you imply.

As far as him not hiring his assistants. Personally I think it is something the hardliners like to say, but I doubt is entirely true.

[Slapstick]

You're a hardliner about race. I think WindyCity and Squidkid are also. You will never accept a black head coach. He is in his 9th season. You can't fake it for that long. The Steelers are 37 games over .500 during that time. Never had a losing season. In 2013 when they started 0-4 and were 2-6. Tomlin did not lose the team and they finished 8-8 and were a blown referee's call from a playoff berth. I'd call that good coaching and leadership. They manage to stay competitive when Big Ben is hurt. All this stuff about clock management is mostly trifles. Can you be specific about when this horrible clock management had an impact on the outcome of the game? Probably not. Switzer coached four seasons and had some success. He was a great college coach so he probably did have some impact in that success. But other than that he is white, can you be specific about why you think he had more impact than Tomlin. Probably not.

Crediting Cowher's players for everything is overly simplistic. Cowher's players were just capable NFL players like most teams have. They were not that magical. Tomlin did not inherit future hall-famers and probowlers at every position. 75% of them were gone three years later. Players have to be led and they wouldn't follow a fake, façade of a coach. I listen to Tomlin closely in the press conferences and the Tomlin show. He is a very smart coach, aware of all the oppositions strengths and weaknesses, and all the factors that go into winning. Plus he is a more aggressive coach than Cowher. Something that I like

The Steelers have developed a solid O-line, drafted several good receivers. Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Martavis Bryant, Markus Wheaton. Coached up Heyward-Bey. Drafted Stud runner Leveon Bell. Some good picks at linebacker, Timmons, Shazier, Bud Dupree, solid depth Spence and Williams. Lineman Heyward and Tuitt.

They haven't gotten that true stud in the defensive backfield; but they have concentrated more effort to other positions in the draft. They are still staying competitive and are not as
bad there even as you imply.

As far as him not hiring his assistants. Personally I think it is something the hardliners like to say, but I doubt is entirely true.

Well said. It isn't possible to fake it for that long...nor is it impossible to have such a long streak of incredible good fortune. No, Mike Tomlin must be doing many, many things correctly in order for his teams to achieve the results that they have achieved. Notice I said "his teams"...

[raycafan]

I have liked him since they had exit interviews on Steeler.com. I liked they way he carried himself, answered questions from the media and his general presence. I did not like Grimm exit interview, he showed me no leadership qualities. I missed seeing Whisenhuntss, but he signed elsewhere. Teams all have snafus through they course of the season, we just see ours more closely, because the love we have for the Black and Gold

[NorthCoast]

Its what most of the haters lean on, then they start with Cowher players won for him, couldn't hire his own OC and DC, in game adjustments, clock management, challenge flags, blah, blah, blah the same old crap over and over. I choose to ignore it and stay out of those threads. It makes my time on PS much more enjoyable.

Pappy

agree with most things you say pappy... but you have to agree that if Tomlin does have any faults as a HC it's his clock management.

[bostonsteeler]

So does this mean the Steelers were a bad team when they went to their first SB? I don't get it, how did GB expose Tomlin? We weren't blown out or exposed, we simply lost to a good GB who prolly has the best QB in the game right now.

We lost to GB for 3 reasons:
a) A blown OL assignment that got Ben hit as he released a throw from inside the EZ. It resulted in a pick 6 instead of a huge gain.
b) Ben missed a wiiiide open Wallace by a half dozen yards, near the GB EZ. Another game changer.
c) Our OL got beat on Mendenhall's fumble.

What does any of this have to do with coaching. The reason the game was even close inspite of all this was coaching.
We did piss away the final drive though.

[papillon]

agree with most things you say pappy... but you have to agree that if Tomlin does have any faults as a HC it's his clock management.

Yea, but at the end of the day as someone mentioned earlier poor clock management is trifles compared to other things he could be doing poorly. As far as I'm concerned they mismanaged the final 47 seconds of the 1st half today, in that, because they tried getting points from their own 13, 14 or 15 yard line the Cardinals could have ended up with an opportunity to add to their lead, Jordan Berry bailed them out with a bomb.

Mike Tomlin is still one of the best coaches in the league regardless of clock management warts on occasion.

Pappy