JJ

[BradshawsHairdresser]

In the game they won, against St. Louis, JJ played more snaps than Harrison...

Maybe JJ was playing with a couple of injured groins vs. the Ravens.

[WindyCitySteel]

Jones 40 time when he came out 4.92 Chickillo 4.79.

Which isn't really relevant to rushing the passer. Which means Jones sucks in other areas, too.

[SidSmythe]

Which isn't really relevant to rushing the passer. Which means Jones sucks in other areas, too.

When you can't run down Joe Flacco rolling out against his body it matters.

[Shoe]

The bottom line in all this, is that Jarvis Jones isn't a difference-maker. Putting aside his draft status for a moment: I think all of us would agree that he can play in this league. At this point, I'd say he is a Clark Haggans type of guy: Haggans would be a bum as a 1st round pick, but we generally think of him in a positive light, as a 4th round pick or whatever he was.

I think Jarvis can even emerge beyond that... maybe into a poor man's Jason Gildon in time.

[Slapstick]

The bottom line in all this, is that Jarvis Jones isn't a difference-maker. Putting aside his draft status for a moment: I think all of us would agree that he can play in this league. At this point, I'd say he is a Clark Haggans type of guy: Haggans would be a bum as a 1st round pick, but we generally think of him in a positive light, as a 4th round pick or whatever he was.

I think Jarvis can even emerge beyond that... maybe into a poor man's Jason Gildon in time.

And, again, you have to compare JJ with the other players available in that draft. Not many difference makers at all in that first round.

[Mr.wizard]

I'm willing to give JJ the rest of this season before deciding what the rest of his career will look like. I think his problem is technique, he is coming in to high and getting no leverage.

[Slapstick]

I'm willing to give JJ the rest of this season before deciding what the rest of his career will look like. I think his problem is technique, he is coming in to high and getting no leverage.

In the first two games, especially, he played well. And, even in the Ravens game, Forsett was not running to JJ's side.

[Mr.wizard]

In the first two games, especially, he played well. And, even in the Ravens game, Forsett was not running to JJ's side.

Ya I don't think he has been bad, I'm just saying I think he is not that great of a pass rusher because of his technique, there is room for him to improve.

[Oviedo]

Ya I don't think he has been bad, I'm just saying I think he is not that great of a pass rusher because of his technique, there is room for him to improve.

Let's not kid ourselves. He was drafted for the pass rush and to replace Harrison. He was not drafted to be "not bad." It's not just his technique, he is not fast or explosive so he can't beat a Left Tackle.

[Slapstick]

Let's not kid ourselves. He was drafted for the pass rush and to replace Harrison. He was not drafted to be "not bad." It's not just his technique, he is not fast or explosive so he can't beat a Left Tackle.

Assume you are right: who in that draft is?

[SidSmythe]

Assume you are right: who in that draft is?

How about Jamie Collins who was drafted by N.E. in the 2nd round???

[feltdizz]

How about Jamie Collins who was drafted by N.E. in the 2nd round???

He knows all the plays...

[Mr.wizard]

Let's not kid ourselves. He was drafted for the pass rush and to replace Harrison. He was not drafted to be "not bad." It's not just his technique, he is not fast or explosive so he can't beat a Left Tackle.

His strengths coming out where his ability to get around the edge, his weaknesses where size and technique. I don't think his problem has to with speed as you rarely see a pass rusher just run around lineman, he just hasn't been able to dip the shoulder and get around the edge. Harrison was never fast but when he dipped that shoulder he was so low that o-lineman couldn't get leverage on him and was able to around the corner.

[Oviedo]

His strengths coming out where his ability to get around the edge, his weaknesses where size and technique. I don't think his problem has to with speed as you rarely see a pass rusher just run around lineman, he just hasn't been able to dip the shoulder and get around the edge. Harrison was never fast but when he dipped that shoulder he was so low that o-lineman couldn't get leverage on him and was able to around the corner.

The problem is much more than dipping his shoulder. He has had three years to work on that.

[RuthlessBurgher]

How about Jamie Collins who was drafted by N.E. in the 2nd round???

I'm quite happy with our 2nd round pick though...Le'Veon Bell was taken 4 picks before Collins.