James Harrison Deal Speaks Volumes About Jarvis Jones

**Slapstick** · 03-30-2015, 01:12 PM

We can only hope that Butler affects the defense in a positive way, much like Haley.

**feltdizz** · 03-30-2015, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by birtikidis

I think it's funny how people keep referring to DL ego. The man doesn't have an ego. The far more likely reason he was canned so unceremoniously is because of KEITH BUTLER'S EGO. More than likely he gave them an ultimatum "either give me a promotion or replace me". DL can still coach. He's still one of the greatest defensive minds in football. Keith Butler may or may not be a good coach. He learned from the best. Now granted, we all have to move on, but drop this DL ego crap. Guy has been in the NFL for over 50 years and not one person has EVER used the word ego in the same sentence other than some numbnuts message board poster.

Yeah.. no. This isn't about Butler's Ego. It's about Butlers FUTURE and the teams future.

I'm sure BOTH coaches have ego's. Hell, we all do. If Butler walked in and said I'm taking offers from other teams and the Steelers ran out and canned DL that isn't due to Butler's ego. It's simply the way business works. A team is going to keep who they believe is the best option for the long term and we all know DL is only going to be in the game for so long.

This is also about performance or lack there of the last few years AND the nature of the NFL. No team EVER keeps an OC or DC forever. You have to keep evolving or eventually it becomes stale and played out. They rest of the AFCN was familiar with our calls, formations, etc..

**Steelhere10** · 03-30-2015, 01:51 PM

Couldn't agree more Felt.

**feltdizz** · 03-30-2015, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Steelhere10

Couldn't agree more Felt.

some fans would rather see us lose horribly with DL then move on and that isn't acceptable.

Our D is disgusting right now and there isn't a coordinator in the league who is too good to get fired.

**birtikidis** · 03-30-2015, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by feltdizz

some fans would rather see us lose horribly with DL then move on and that isn't acceptable.

Our D is disgusting right now and there isn't a coordinator in the league who is too good to get fired.

Lose horribly? Really? puff puff give man. Puff puff give.

**feltdizz** · 03-30-2015, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by birtikidis

Lose horribly? Really? puff puff give man. Puff puff give.

hell, I need to get what YOU are smoking.

We have reached new lows in sacks, pressures, turnovers while giving up the most long TD's since the 60's or some weird stat and you want to continue down the same road due to loyalty?

Pffft.

**ikestops85** · 03-30-2015, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by feltdizz

hell, I need to get what YOU are smoking.

We have reached new lows in sacks, pressures, turnovers while giving up the most long TD's since the 60's or some weird stat and you want to continue down the same road due to loyalty?

Pffft.

Loyalty has nothing to do with it ... talent does. I don't care how good of a coordinator you are you still need talent.

**phillyesq** · 03-30-2015, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by ikestops85

Loyalty has nothing to do with it ... talent does. I don't care how good of a coordinator you are you still need talent.

Absolutely, and I'd be shocked if there was a coordinator who could do more with that sad group the Steelers fielded on D last year.

**Oviedo** · 03-30-2015, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by birtikidis

I think it's funny how people keep referring to DL ego. The man doesn't have an ego. The far more likely reason he was canned so unceremoniously is because of KEITH BUTLER'S EGO. More than likely he gave them an ultimatum "either give me a promotion or replace me". DL can still coach. He's still one of the greatest defensive minds in football. Keith Butler may or may not be a good coach. He learned from the best. Now granted, we all have to move on, but drop this DL ego crap. Guy has been in the NFL for over 50 years and not one person has EVER used the word ego in the same sentence other than some numbnuts message board poster.

Really? Butler sits for years playing loyal soldier turning down Def Coord jobs he could have had and you think he has the ego? That's pretty crazy!

**Oviedo** · 03-30-2015, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by feltdizz

Yeah.. no. This isn't about Butler's Ego. It's about Butlers FUTURE and the teams future.

I'm sure BOTH coaches have ego's. Hell, we all do. If Butler walked in and said I'm taking offers from other teams and the Steelers ran out and canned DL that isn't due to Butler's ego. It's simply the way business works. A team is going to keep who they believe is the best option for the long term and we all know DL is only going to be in the game for so long.

This is also about performance or lack there of the last few years AND the nature of the NFL. No team EVER keeps an OC or DC forever. You have to keep evolving or eventually it becomes stale and played out. They rest of the AFCN was familiar with our calls, formations, etc..

Well said. It's about moving forward not holding onto the past.

**birtikidis** · 03-30-2015, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Oviedo

Really? Butler sits for years playing loyal soldier turning down Def Coord jobs he could have had and you think he has the ego? That's pretty crazy!

I said, if you read it, that it was MORE LIKELY to be Butlers ego. I'm not saying he's not ready to be a coordinator, or even that he hasn't earned it, I'm saying that he MORE THAN LIKELY gave the team an ultimatum. They made the choice they had to. I personally feel that they should have given him the promotion, but they should have given DL the same position he now holds in Tennessee.

**Slapstick** · 03-30-2015, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by birtikidis

I said, if you read it, that it was MORE LIKELY to be Butlers ego. I'm not saying he's not ready to be a coordinator, or even that he hasn't earned it, I'm saying that he MORE THAN LIKELY gave the team an ultimatum. They made the choice they had to. I personally feel that they should have given him the promotion, but they should have given DL the same position he now holds in Tennessee.

I seem to recall hearing that the Steelers tried to offer LeBeau some kind of advisory coaching position, similar to what he now has in TN. LeBeau didn't want that in Pitt, IIRC...

**Discipline of Steel** · 03-30-2015, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Slapstick

I seem to recall hearing that the Steelers tried to offer LeBeau some kind of advisory coaching position, similar to what he now has in TN. LeBeau didn't want that in Pitt, IIRC...

Im almost doubting that...just because in that scenario the coaching structure doesnt really change, just their titles. That being said, i have no idea what may have been offered or said.

**Slapstick** · 03-30-2015, 07:27 PM

This is from Steelers.com

And finally, the level of respect for what Dick LeBeau contributed to the Steelers, and management’s deep personal respect for Dick LeBeau, would have allowed for keeping him within the organization in some capacity. Senior advisor. Consultant. Still with a physical presence and a voice, but LeBeau wasn’t interested in that. At least not with the Steelers.

[url]http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Labriola-on-forced-out-Steratore-Peyton/78051267-66b5-4d0a-a35e-4c1572eb82e2[/url]

**Eddie Spaghetti** · 03-30-2015, 08:01 PM

nobody wanted DL looking over butlers shoulder. kudos to DL for turning that down

thats not good for anybody and is pretty dumb if the steelers offered that type of role, IMO

you make the changs or you dont. nobody is half pregnant. i really have questions about the decisions the steelers brass seem to make

James Harrison Deal Speaks Volumes About Jarvis Jones

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