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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35649

    Wexell: STEELERS POISED FOR SWITCH TO 4-3

    STEELERS POISED FOR SWITCH TO 4-3

    Jim Wexell
    Publisher SteelCityInsider.net



    As the rumors heat up, it makes sense for Mike Tomlin to install a full-time 4-3 defensive alignment.

    Nate Orchard seemed to separate himself from what I initially believed to be a solid group of second-tier pass-rushers at the Senior Bowl.

    After beating up on highly touted Ty Sambrailo in his bowl game, Orchard played so well at the Senior Bowl that he's moved into late first-round draft range.

    But as I watched Orchard rain blows on the quarterbacks, I thought there had to be a better way.

    Nothing against Orchard, but if he had the natural burst and power to inspire faith as a worthwhile pick at No. 22, it would've happened sooner. And now, two years after Jarvis Jones was taken in the first round, I don't see the Steelers trying to guess right on another 3-4 edge pass-rusher in the first round, particularly since they still believe Jones can develop into an edge presence.

    As for the guys I liked going into the Senior bowl as second-tier OLB prospects -- Lorenzo Mauldin, Trey Flowers, Hau'oli Kikaha and Markus Golden -- they were being blocked.

    It caused me to think back to something I wrote the day before the Steelers released James Harrison in March of 2013:

    "As my deadline approaches, I'm arguing with someone on Twitter over who's a better 3-4 OLB draft prospect: Damontre Moore or Corey Lemonier. As if it matters. As if the Steelers will just find the next James Harrison on purpose, or because they're that much smarter than everyone else."

    They're not that much smarter than everyone else, and anymore they're not one of a small group of teams picking from a vast pool of small rush ends who have to be moved to outside linebacker. That's how they got Greg Lloyd and Joey Porter, and we all know Harrison was a complete accident -- not just after the first two times they cut him, but even last season when they picked their best pass-rusher up off the scrap heap yet again.

    Last season was even more difficult for a Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker to get to the quarterback, because in their 4-3 nickel -- that was used about 50 percent of the time -- the outside linebackers had to put their hands down and also worry about the run as defensive ends.

    The times are changing, and perhaps it's time for the Steelers to change as well. Perhaps it's time they go to a 4-3 as their base defense.

    I think it is time.


    Before Dick LeBeau and Dom Capers came along and showed us all of the fun tricks that could be used in scheming four linebackers, we all knew the best way to win defensively was to "get there with four." The Steel Curtain was all the proof anyone needed. They didn't need to blitz and expose their back end, because the four men up front could get to the quarterback without any help.

    The Steelers don't have those four men yet, but once Harrison leaves they certainly don't have five. And paying Jason Worilds another $10 million in tag money isn't going to change that.

    But with the foundation that's in place, the Steelers are closer to putting together a quality 4-3 base -- which will require fewer moves in getting to their nickel -- than they are in rebuilding the 3-4 that got them to their last three Super Bowls.

    Let's take a look at the talent on hand for a move to the 4-3:

    Line: Cameron Heyward, Steve McLendon, Daniel McCullers, Stephon Tuitt (Jones, Cam Thomas).

    Linebackers: Ryan Shazier, Lawrence Timmons, Sean Spence (Vince Williams, Terence Garvin, Jordan Zumwalt).

    The linebackers are fine, but the line would need help. Jones could sub in as a pass-rusher in the nickel and push Heyward or Tuitt inside, and Worilds or Arthur Moats could be re-signed to push the other DE inside in the nickel if so desired. But an additional big man is needed -- to compete with McCullers -- and so is a true 4-3 rush end to provide depth and flexibility.

    One 4-3 DE who showed as much in Mobile as the 3-4 OLB prospects was Kentucky's Za'Darius Smith. If they can't draft him in the second round, they could land Preston Smith or Owa Odighizuwa. And those are just the 4-3 DEs who were at the Senior Bowl.
    The first-round pick could be a DT, someone like Carl Davis, the big man from Iowa who showed last week he could get to the passer after being freed from the constraints put on him last season by Kirk Ferentz's staff.

    I'm not sure the names are important right now anyway, just that the Steelers are closer to changing their defensive alignment than they have been since the 1970s, thanks to the young linemen they've drafted in the last four years.

    Of course we've heard this before. Every year, even when Casey Hampton was killing centers as a nose tackle, we've heard rumors that Mike Tomlin would switch to his more familiar 4-3. And this year, with the departure of LeBeau, the rumors are louder than ever.

    While new coordinator Keith Butler was raised as a 3-4 player and coach, he can no doubt see that drafting a couple of players to provide depth for one alignment would be easier than piecing together 17 niche players for the use of two alignments.
    And, really, there are too many other needs to provide that kind of quality for two defensive alignments.

    No, the time is right to go full-time 4-3. The time is right to get back to fielding four who can get there.

    [URL]http://pit.scout.com/story/1506528-steelers-poised-for-switch-to-4-3?s=68[/URL]
  • Slapstick
    Rookie
    • May 2008
    • 0

    #2
    The Steelers would definitely need at least two bigger bodies at edge rusher...then, they could move Jarvis to strong side LB like the Seahawks did with Irvin....
    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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    • Oviedo
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 23824

      #3
      Music to my ears and makes so much sense...finally! This is all I have been advocating for---a willingness to take a fresh look. How it plays out is how it plays out but at least we are doing due diligence. This is what happens when you make a change from someone stubbornly unwilling to consider anything but what they created.

      No, the time is right to go full-time 4-3. The time is right to get back to fielding four who can get there.
      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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      • steelblood
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 4166

        #4
        Originally posted by Slapstick
        The Steelers would definitely need at least two bigger bodies at edge rusher...then, they could move Jarvis to strong side LB like the Seahawks did with Irvin....
        Jarvis Jones would likely need to be traded. He does not have the foot speed to be a 4-3 backer
        Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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        • RuthlessBurgher
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 33208

          #5
          Heyward and Tuitt as 4-3 DE's? In the 4-3, both would be better off as a 3-technique under tackle, not a DE. I suppose that you could get away with using Heyward as your strong side DE and Tuitt as the 3-technique DT, but you are still missing the all-important weakside passrushing DE, and those guys don't ever come cheap (and you typically can't draft a top prospect at 4-3 DE in the 20's...they are as rare as elite LT prospects...almost always gone in the top 10 and usually the top 5).
          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27531

            #6
            Originally posted by Oviedo
            Music to my ears and makes so much sense...finally! This is all I have been advocating for---a willingness to take a fresh look. How it plays out is how it plays out but at least we are doing due diligence. This is what happens when you make a change from someone stubbornly unwilling to consider anything but what they created.
            Not sure why you are blaming DL for sticking with HIS defense...
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            • Slapstick
              Rookie
              • May 2008
              • 0

              #7
              Originally posted by steelblood
              Jarvis Jones would likely need to be traded. He does not have the foot speed to be a 4-3 backer
              Eh, I disagree. Jarvis' football speed is plenty fast enough...
              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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              • Slapstick
                Rookie
                • May 2008
                • 0

                #8
                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                Heyward and Tuitt as 4-3 DE's? In the 4-3, both would be better off as a 3-technique under tackle, not a DE. I suppose that you could get away with using Heyward as your strong side DE and Tuitt as the 3-technique DT, but you are still missing the all-important weakside passrushing DE, and those guys don't ever come cheap (and you typically can't draft a top prospect at 4-3 DE in the 20's...they are as rare as elite LT prospects...almost always gone in the top 10 and usually the top 5).
                I think that you keep Heyward at the 3 Tech because that's where he seems to excel.

                You can keep Tuitt at a 5 tech and still run a 4-3...
                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                • steelblood
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 4166

                  #9
                  Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                  Heyward and Tuitt as 4-3 DE's? In the 4-3, both would be better off as a 3-technique under tackle, not a DE. I suppose that you could get away with using Heyward as your strong side DE and Tuitt as the 3-technique DT, but you are still missing the all-important weakside passrushing DE, and those guys don't ever come cheap (and you typically can't draft a top prospect at 4-3 DE in the 20's...they are as rare as elite LT prospects...almost always gone in the top 10 and usually the top 5).
                  I believe Heyward played some base end (in addition to DT) at OSU. If he keeps his weight around 285, he could succeed there and kick inside on passing downs.
                  Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                  • steelblood
                    Hall of Famer
                    • May 2008
                    • 4166

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Slapstick
                    Eh, I disagree. Jarvis' football speed is plenty fast enough...
                    What? He is not fast. And, he is certainly not "plenty fast" for a 4-3.
                    Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                    • papillon
                      Legend
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 11340

                      #11
                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      Not sure why you are blaming DL for sticking with HIS defense...
                      Because for the last 2-3 years while they change over from the veterans to new guys the defense has only been average instead of a top 5 or 6 defense, we're spoiled fans.

                      Pappy
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                      The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                      1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                      3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                      3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                      4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                      5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                      7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

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                      • steelblood
                        Hall of Famer
                        • May 2008
                        • 4166

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Slapstick
                        I think that you keep Heyward at the 3 Tech because that's where he seems to excel.

                        You can keep Tuitt at a 5 tech and still run a 4-3...
                        Ok, a 5 Technique literally means that he lines up over an OT (directly or, more commonly, shaded over the outside shoulder). It has come to mean a 2 gap responsibility as well.

                        So, are you suggesting Tuitt at 310 pounds plays DE in a 4-3? Or do you simply mean that he can handle the two gap responsibility as a 4-3 DT?

                        Personally, I think Tuitt's best trait is his straight ahead quickness for his size. I think he'd be a great 4-3 DT.
                        Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                        • birtikidis
                          Hall of Famer
                          • May 2008
                          • 4628

                          #13
                          the 4-3 makes sense if you can find a guy like Julius Peppers at the bottom half of the first round. Those premium pass rushers still go in the top ten picks. Premium pass rushers ALWAYS go in the top 15 regardless if it's 3/4 or 4/3. Switching schemes won't all of a sudden make our defense stout. We only have two guys who really first a 4/3 and that's Heyward and Tuitt. And the only reason they fit is because they're the only ones with any talent on the DL. Talent trumps scheme. Always will.

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                          • Oviedo
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 23824

                            #14
                            Originally posted by papillon
                            Because for the last 2-3 years while they change over from the veterans to new guys the defense has only been average instead of a top 5 or 6 defense, we're spoiled fans.

                            Pappy
                            Thank you sir. Exactly what I would say. Our defense has not been working for 3-4 years and has been getting worse in key stats like sacks and INTs. Those are the game changers you need to slow down today's defenses.

                            As I have consistently said, talent replacement the the "internship" 2-3 years were going to doom LeBeau's way of doing it. It happened. Continuing to wait until just the right players showed up wasn't an answer anymore. The FO saw that which is why they chose to go in a different direction.
                            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27531

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              Thank you sir. Exactly what I would say. Our defense has not been working for 3-4 years and has been getting worse in key stats like sacks and INTs. Those are the game changers you need to slow down today's defenses.

                              As I have consistently said, talent replacement the the "internship" 2-3 years were going to doom LeBeau's way of doing it. It happened. Continuing to wait until just the right players showed up wasn't an answer anymore. The FO saw that which is why they chose to go in a different direction.
                              I don't disagree with any of this...

                              I just don't see why you would be angry at Lebeau for not changing to a 4-3.
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