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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35649

    Todd Haley deserves some credit

    Bob Smizik: Todd Haley deserves some credit

    December 9, 2014
    By Bob Smizik / Special to the Post-Gazette



    In the aftermath of their 42-point, 543-yard performance Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals, the Steelers are second in the league in yards per game, second in yards per play, sixth in points, sixth in third-down conversion and first in time of possession. Over the past seven games, they are averaging 34 points.

    The primary architects of this offensive onslaught have been quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, running back Le’Veon Bell, wide receiver Antonio Brown and a continually improving line.

    Roethlisberger years ago established himself as one of the best in the league, in the tier right behind the top four of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees. Bell and Brown have sprinted toward the top of their respective positions this season and no one should be surprised if they are not just Pro Bowl but All-Pro. Brown is first in the league in receptions, 15 more than anyone else, and first in yards. Bell is second in rushing yards and second in receptions among running backs.

    Accolades pour down on all three. But what about the man standing in the background of all this success? The one who always seemed to be put front and center when the success was lacking? That would be offensive coordinator Todd Haley, who some people still think isn’t doing a good job.

    Here’s what Ed Bouchette wrote about Haley at post-gazette.com: ''Although it has under-performed at times, the Steelers’ offense has done its job for most of the season, hitting 30 points or more seven times, more than 40 three times. It should not just earn Todd Haley a new contract, but a raise.’’

    People want to judge the offensive coordinator on a play-by-play (the passion of many) and game-by-game basis, and there’s nothing wrong with that, if you know what you’re talking about. But there’s a broader view of the job and that’s where no one is even looking at Haley.

    The spectacular improvement of Bell in this his second season, after a promising but hardly overwhelming rookie season, and the elevation of Brown from very good to elite rests mostly with the players. But coaches play a role in that success, too.

    Any fair person who has criticized him in the past would have to acknowledge Haley deserves some of the credit for the overall improvement of the team and the specific improvement of individual players.

    Even after the Steelers scored 42 against the Bengals, there were some negative comments about his play-calling. There’s no kind way to put this, but most fans and media have no way of evaluating play-calling and those who think they can by watching on television or sitting in the stands do not understand the game.

    The most brilliantly conceived play can be undone by just one player botching his assignment. There is no play ever devised that works without execution. And even if all assignments are executed well, a superior defensive performance can still blow up the best-called play.

    There are so many unknowns that it is impossible to evaluate each play in terms of whether it was smartly called.

    * Who made the call: The coordinator or the quarterback?

    * In what defense was the opposition and what are its tendencies in that defense?

    * What has the defense done against that type of play in the past?

    * How did every player on the field perform during the play?

    Those are some of the variable that the average viewer in the stands, in the press box or in front of their TV knows next to nothing about.

    And just as a great call might fail, a bad call might succeed because of a defensive breakdown.

    So judge Haley on his play-calling if you wish, but know this: You probably don’t know what you’re talking about. The mere fact the Steelers are averaging 6.2 yards per play would indicate that criticism of Haley is a bit over the top,

    It is next to impossible for fans or the media to properly evaluate a coordinator because so much of their success depends on the players. The calls the coordinators make are important, but not nearly as important as how the players perform. In football, strategy is important but not nearly as important as execution.

    [URL]http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/smizik-on-sports/2014/12/09/Bob-Smizik-Haley-deserves-some-credit/stories/201412090120[/URL]
  • Steelhere10
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 3849

    #2
    I have no problems with Haley , other than being to conservative in a tight game when it's 3rd and 8 and he calls a short pass. Dickey now that's another story!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • SteelCrazy
      Legend
      • Aug 2008
      • 5049

      #3
      The offense deserves all the credit this year, including Haley. If we had an average pass defense, we would be unstoppable.
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      • Djfan
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 5184

        #4
        Originally posted by SteelCrazy
        The offense deserves all the credit this year, including Haley. If we had an average pass defense, we would be unstoppable.
        Or a much better rushing game. Remember that DB's defense is predicated on tough LBs, and pressuring the QB. In that case the CBs only have to be OK.
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        • SanAntonioSteelerFan
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 8361

          #5
          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
          Bob Smizik: Todd Haley deserves some credit

          December 9, 2014
          By Bob Smizik / Special to the Post-Gazette



          In the aftermath of their 42-point, 543-yard performance Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals, the Steelers are second in the league in yards per game, second in yards per play, sixth in points, sixth in third-down conversion and first in time of possession. Over the past seven games, they are averaging 34 points.
          ...
          There are lies, dang lies, and then there are statistics, to quote Jack Lambert. This author is clearly a Rooney apologist, trying to confuse the fact that Haley is a fraud. It's clear that canning him immediately, and shopping Ben around for a true franchise QB of the future (possibly sweetening the bait by including AB, and maybe even Bell) , it's the only thing that will save this franchise.

          Signed,

          El Suavo del Acero y Guapo


          We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

          HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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          • BradshawsHairdresser
            Legend
            • Dec 2008
            • 7056

            #6
            What's Haley doing throwing the ball? Could there be some sort of conspiracy in the works for him to supplant Ben?
            Art II must be behind it, up to no good...

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            • Slapstick
              Rookie
              • May 2008
              • 0

              #7
              Crash's brain exploded upon reading that...
              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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              • pittpete
                Legend
                • Aug 2008
                • 6825

                #8
                Haleys playcalling is as Schizophrenic as this team..
                Sometimes hes good Haley, sometimes his bad..
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                • hawaiiansteel
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 35649

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Slapstick
                  Crash's brain exploded upon reading that...
                  On the Steelers: Numbers offensively almost unbelievable

                  By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

                  Their goal earlier this season was to score 30 points a game. The Steelers might want to raise their sights to 40 Sunday in Atlanta because they might need that many to win.

                  The Falcons scored 37 Monday night in Green Bay, and that wasn’t enough because the Packers dropped 43 on them. While neither of those two teams have very good defenses — Atlanta’s is last in the NFL and Green Bay’s 26th — the Steelers defense has shown it is capable of giving up real estate with the worst of them, even though it ranks a middling 16th in the NFL.

                  As coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday, giving up big plays such as an 81-yard touchdown pass to Cincinnati’s A.J. Green Sunday is “something that continues to be a thorn in our side.”

                  The track will be perfect inside Georgia Dome for the Steelers to unleash another 40-point game, which they might have to do to win. The Falcons will play under the same conditions in their home, where they scored 56 against Tampa Bay this season.

                  Atlanta averages 381 yards per game, eighth in the NFL, and they are 10th with an average of 25.2 points per game.

                  While the Steelers’ admitted goal earlier was to score at least 30 points a game, Tomlin said they have no such target to fit each opponent.

                  “No, we go in it with a mentality that we need to win situational football and we need to take care of the football,” Tomlin said. “We feel like if we do that we’ll show our capabilities. We’ll ring the scoreboard up. We’ll put together winning performances.”

                  They’ve rung them up like Black Friday cash registers, yet their 32 against New Orleans weren’t enough for a victory and their 30 in the opener against Cleveland barely enough.

                  “When we haven’t played well this year offensively, it’s been because we’ve stalled in the red area and/or we’ve turned the ball over,” Tomlin said. “So those are things that we’re trying to focus on. We need to be effective in the red area. We need to take care of the football and if we do that the scoreboard will be our storyteller.”

                  Three times, the Steelers have topped 40 points, winning all three; they have scored at least 30 on seven occasions, tying the most they’ve had in one season (1975, 1979) in team history. Their 362 points scored are 55 from breaking the franchise record of 416 in 1979.

                  A slew of offensive records will go by the wayside over the next three games, team and individual. Consider:

                  • The Steelers average 427.0 yards on offense. The team record is 391.1 in 1979.

                  • With two more first downs, they will break their 1995 record of 344.

                  • Their average of 303.2 passing yards per game dwarfs the record of 259.3 set in 2009.

                  • Records on the brink for quarterback Ben Roethlisberger: He has 29 touchdown passes (32, which he set in 2007), 4,055 yards passing (4,328, in 2009), 339 completions (375, 2013). Roethlisberger is second in the NFL in passing yards.

                  • For receiver Antonio Brown: He has 105 receptions (112, Hines Ward in 2002), 11 receiving touchdowns (12, three-way tie), 1,375 yards (1,499, Brown 2013). Brown leads the NFL in receptions and yards.

                  • For running back Le’Veon Bell: His 71 receptions already are 20 more than the previous record for a back, 693 yards receiving (762 by a back, Ray Mathews in 1955), 1,924 scrimmage yards (2,034, Barry Foster in 1992), 1,231 yards rushing (1,690, Foster in 1992). Bell leads the AFC in rushing.

                  It has been an unprecedented season on offense for the Steelers and it appears they will need to continue in that vein if they are to win in Atlanta.

                  The Steelers lead the league with 33:32 of average time of possession. They are second in yards per play at 6.2, second in yards per game at 427.0, second in first downs per game at 24.6, second in passing yards per game at 303.2 and sixth in points with a 27.8 average.

                  “We just have to be aggressive,” Tomlin said.

                  [URL]http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/s...s/201412100084[/URL]
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                  • PerogiesPlus
                    Rookie
                    • Dec 2014
                    • 6

                    #10
                    Ed Bouchette is the PG's version of Alan Robinson: Sucking up to Todd Haley because he knew his Daddy and just posting stats without context.

                    The Trib wised up, they sent Robinson on his way, and fired him.

                    The people who defend Haley don't even realize WHY he needs to go.

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                    • Slapstick
                      Rookie
                      • May 2008
                      • 0

                      #11
                      That was a quick turn around from an aneurysm...
                      Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                      • PerogiesPlus
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2014
                        • 6

                        #12
                        I'm a fast healer.

                        Simply put Todd Haley's #1 focus is still Todd Haley.

                        It should be using the strengths of his talent, and he doesn't.

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                        • feltdizz
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 27531

                          #13
                          Originally posted by PerogiesPlus
                          I'm a fast healer.

                          Simply put Todd Haley's #1 focus is still Todd Haley.

                          It should be using the strengths of his talent, and he doesn't.
                          look in the mirror and read what you just posted.
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                          • PerogiesPlus
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2014
                            • 6

                            #14
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            look in the mirror and read what you just posted.
                            Tell me WHY I'm wrong?

                            And then I'll tell YOU, why I'm RIGHT.

                            If all you can do is post stats? You got nothing.

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27531

                              #15
                              Originally posted by PerogiesPlus
                              Tell me WHY I'm wrong?

                              And then I'll tell YOU, why I'm RIGHT.

                              If all you can do is post stats? You got nothing.
                              Why would I waste my time telling someone they are wrong when they claim they are ALWAYS right.
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