Only able to afford 1 more loss and make play offs

[feltdizz]

How can anyone not accept that BOTH players and coaches bear blame in that Jets loss? Players for fumbles and poor throws and missed blocks, etc., but coaches for a game plan and play calls that didn't put the players in the best position to succeed. If EITHER the players had played better OR the coaches had coached better, the Steelers likely would have won that game. What if they miss the playoffs by that one game?

Sounds to me as though the players generally own up to their mistakes. But I get tired of hearing, after every such loss, Tomlin say, "We need to EXECUTE better." Well, DUH. How about you take some responsibility and start COACHING better?

I think you need to accept that Tomlin takes responsibility and demanding he say exactly what you want is pretty unrealistic.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

I think you need to accept that Tomlin takes responsibility and demanding he say exactly what you want is pretty unrealistic.

How do you know he takes reponsibility?

[Oviedo]

How can anyone not accept that BOTH players and coaches bear blame in that Jets loss? Players for fumbles and poor throws and missed blocks, etc., but coaches for a game plan and play calls that didn't put the players in the best position to succeed. If EITHER the players had played better OR the coaches had coached better, the Steelers likely would have won that game. What if they miss the playoffs by that one game?

Sounds to me as though the players generally own up to their mistakes. But I get tired of hearing, after every such loss, Tomlin say, "We need to EXECUTE better." Well, DUH. How about you take some responsibility and start COACHING better?

Coaches and players were responsible for the Jets loss. However, the coordinators not Tomlin are the ones who have the greatest role in game planning and preparing the players. The player's stumbles notwithstanding, Haley and LeBeau failed to get it done when they needed to.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Yet Tomlin was evidently fine with the game planning and play calling. According to Kovacevic's report, from inside sources, Tomlin is right with Haley on all the screen plays...

[feltdizz]

How do you know he takes reponsibility?

Common sense...

[papillon]

Can someone that believes Tomlin, Haley or Lebeau do not take responsibility for their units or the team (in Tomlin's case) explain to me exactly what you would like to hear or see that would indicate to you that they are accepting responsibility? And, if you believe they aren't, explain why you believe they aren't accepting responsibility for poor performance, but mostly I'd like to know what you would like them to do to prove they have accepted responsibility? Resign mid-season? In Haley's case, turn play calling over to someone else? In Lebeau's case turn the defense over to some one else? What would you like to see as proof of responsibility acceptance?

These are grown men, I doubt any of them are trying to escape responsibility for the team or their specific unit's performance.

Pappy

[feltdizz]

Can someone that believes Tomlin, Haley or Lebeau do not take responsibility for their units or the team (in Tomlin's case) explain to me exactly what you would like to hear or see that would indicate to you that they are accepting responsibility? And, if you believe they aren't, explain why you believe they aren't accepting responsibility for poor performance, but mostly I'd like to know what you would like them to do to prove they have accepted responsibility? Resign mid-season? In Haley's case, turn play calling over to someone else? In Lebeau's case turn the defense over to some one else? What would you like to see as proof of responsibility acceptance?

These are grown men, I doubt any of them are trying to escape responsibility for the team or their specific unit's performance.

Pappy

I think some of these people want the coaches to do a Hines Ward and cry on TV after losses...

Whatever these coaches do after a loss they will spin it into a negative. I think they want these guys to commit Hari-Kiri

[Slapstick]

Yet Tomlin was evidently fine with the game planning and play calling. According to Kovacevic's report, from inside sources, Tomlin is right with Haley on all the screen plays...

Provided that you don't put the ball on the ground or throw INTs (4 TOs!!!), the game plan may have worked...

[RuthlessBurgher]

I think some of these people want the coaches to do a Hines Ward and cry on TV after losses...

Whatever these coaches do after a loss they will spin it into a negative. I think they want these guys to commit Hari-Kiri

Or at least commit Harry Caray

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Provided that you don't put the ball on the ground or throw INTs (4 TOs!!!), the game plan may have worked...

Going against a team with a leaky d-backfield, that had been giving up a lot of passing TD's, a different game plan would have worked better.

[sick beats]

Provided that you don't put the ball on the ground or throw INTs (4 TOs!!!), the game plan may have worked...

You mean the game plan where the Jets ran the ball down their throats - opening drive - all the way to the end zone? That game plan? It had nothing to do with turnovers.

[sick beats]

Going against a team with a leaky d-backfield, that had been giving up a lot of passing TD's, a different game plan would have worked better.

You mean passing the ball into the meat of their DL (the only good unit they have) wasn't a smart game plan?

[WindyCitySteel]

Can someone that believes Tomlin, Haley or Lebeau do not take responsibility for their units or the team (in Tomlin's case) explain to me exactly what you would like to hear or see that would indicate to you that they are accepting responsibility? And, if you believe they aren't, explain why you believe they aren't accepting responsibility for poor performance, but mostly I'd like to know what you would like them to do to prove they have accepted responsibility? Resign mid-season? In Haley's case, turn play calling over to someone else? In Lebeau's case turn the defense over to some one else? What would you like to see as proof of responsibility acceptance?

These are grown men, I doubt any of them are trying to escape responsibility for the team or their specific unit's performance.

Pappy

Re: Tomlin? Gee, I don't know, maybe not defend the play call to throw a forward pass to James Freaking Harrison for starters?

[WindyCitySteel]

You mean the game plan where the Jets ran the ball down their throats - opening drive - all the way to the end zone? That game plan? It had nothing to do with turnovers.

It had to do with LeBeau opening up against a strong running, and weak passing team, in the nickel defense.

It would be funny were it not so sad.

[Slapstick]

How much did the Jets score in Q2-Q4?

Are you telling me that their lead was insurmountable if we don't give them the ball 4 times (not to mention the missed FG)?