Deebo backs LeBeau: 'It's on the players'

[BURGH86STEEL]

Sure, but it is very simplistic. After all, if it is only "all about the players", what is the point of having coaches?

Coaches need to call the right plays, coaches put players in the right position, they need to think one or two steps ahead of the opposition. In that regard for example... how good are we on getting off the field on 3rd down? How good are we in the 2nd half (after both teams make adjustments)? I don't know these statistics BTW; I'm wondering.

Bottom line being: Players play, but coaches still have to coach. Both share blame on this defense.

It is very simplistic because it is that simple. The coaches have their roles. Coaches don't usually make that much of a difference unless their players are good enough and execute well enough.

If you sit down and watch film with the coaches they can explain and show the break downs made by the players. They can also show where they gave players one on one opportunities to win battles. I can point out many of the breakdowns. The game film doesn't lie. Players share a larger part of the responsibility because they play.

[Oviedo]

A 4-3 defense is even more reliant on d-lineman to generate pressure by beating his man one-on-one. Since that is a severe deficiency of the defensive linemen currently on this team, I think such a switch would actually make our feeble pass rush even worse (if that is possible) even further exposing our profoundly weak secondary.

In the 4-3 the DL has more one on one match ups versus trying to beat or "occupy" two OL. Besides what good is it to occupy the OL when he has the LBs dropping into coverage. I said this a couple years ago that this is how the opponents are beating LeBeau's scheme. Flood the pass and prevent OLBs from blitzing because LeBeau rarely runs the inside blitz anymore.

[Oviedo]

Coaches don't usually make that much of a difference unless their players are good enough and execute well enough.

Then they really aren't "genius" then are they. It's just hype for when players make a coord look better than he is and when he has to actually be genius he shows he doesn't have it.

[Slapstick]

There is a reason that players make all the money...

[Mr.wizard]

There is a reason that players make all the money...

The coaches are volunteers?

[Mr.wizard]

"LeBeau knows more about defensive football than anyone standing on an NFL sideline, let alone in the stands." So, all you DL haters, who would you hire to be your DC? And PLEASE don't tell me the LB coach, Butler. You want change? Then pick someone outside the organization. And realistically, like Ruthless has mentioned, pick someone who would coach the 3-4, since we don't have the players necessary to be competitive in a 4-3. My guess is, you will be hard pressed to find any candidate who has better credentials than DL.

I'll tell ya who you all should be talking about who is the problem, and that's the good ole GM Colbert. He's sukked recently at player personnel, FA, draft, etc. Pop Dat Thang is looking more and more like another Rainey...he sure is 'popping' it when he returns those kicks. I know its early in his career, but geez he could be another wasted 3rd round pick.

So your saying that the scheme lebeau runs is the best we could ever get and any failure of it is on the GM for not getting the right mix of pro bowlers? Give me a break on Dri Archer, the guy has played in 4 games, geeze give the kid a shot.

[NorthCoast]

Harrison is 36 years old, and knows this is his last year. He doesn't have to suck up to his coach or anyone else. And he doesn't strike me as the type who would say something he didn't mean. If he thought LeBeau was the problem, he just wouldn't say anything. But he did say something. He said it's on the players. I'm inclined to put some credence in what he says. Anyone is free to "buy" it or not. I doubt he gives a crap.

Now you have an veteran Superbowl LB that knows how to play the game and a HC saying the same thing. Players aren't making plays. Don't care who the head coach is or what scheme is being used, when I see 3 or 4 missed tackles on a 35 yr old WR..... THAT, my friends, is on the players.... and it's happened more than a few times this season.

[pfelix73]

So your saying that the scheme lebeau runs is the best we could ever get and any failure of it is on the GM for not getting the right mix of pro bowlers? Give me a break on Dri Archer, the guy has played in 4 games, geeze give the kid a shot.

Yep. Makes sense, doesn't it? It is his job to find those FA's, work the cap, and draft, etc. etc. That's what he's getting the big bucks for.

Again, give me names of DC's who have a better resume and can do a better job at this point in the season with the players we have starting. I would bet you may not find any.....

[Mr.wizard]

Yep. Makes sense, doesn't it? It is his job to find those FA's, work the cap, and draft, etc. etc. That's what he's getting the big bucks for.

Again, give me names of DC's who have a better resume and can do a better job at this point in the season with the players we have starting. I would bet you may not find any.....

I think that is complete BS.

[pfelix73]

Your opinion. I think it's spot on, correct. Thats what he gets paid for, sir.

Look up job description of a GM.

[WindyCitySteel]

James is right - All Dick needs is the 2008 personnel again and his schemes will work. Unfortunately, he doesn't have that kind of personnel anymore but still coaches like he does. Tomlin and Dick can say "play better" all they want, but Cam Thomas will never play like Aaron Smith, McClendon will never play like Hamp, Spence will never play like Farrior, Moats and James will never play like the James of 2008, Worilds will never play like the Woodley of 2008, and Troy will never again play like Troy of 2008.

It's time to stop asking them to and blaming them for the failures when they don't.

[feltdizz]

The coaches are volunteers?

yep, and they aren't important....

wtf kind of logic is this?

[feltdizz]

James is right - All Dick needs is the 2008 personnel again and his schemes will work. Unfortunately, he doesn't have that kind of personnel anymore but still coaches like he does. Tomlin and Dick can say "play better" all they want, but Cam Thomas will never play like Aaron Smith, McClendon will never play like Hamp, Spence will never play like Farrior, Moats and James will never play like the James of 2008, Worilds will never play like the Woodley of 2008, and Troy will never again play like Troy of 2008.

It's time to stop asking them to and blaming them for the failures when they don't.

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[Shoe]

I'll tell ya who you all should be talking about who is the problem, and that's the good ole GM Colbert. He's sukked recently at player personnel, FA, draft, etc. Pop Dat Thang is looking more and more like another Rainey...he sure is 'popping' it when he returns those kicks. I know its early in his career, but geez he could be another wasted 3rd round pick.

Wait, what is wrong with another Rainey? Rainey was on the up-tick when we cut him, and he would still be in the league, if he could stop hitting women. (I'm still dumbfounded by people calling Dri out... after two games into his rookie year.)

Colbert's recent record is being clouded by his Limas Sweeds, Landry Jones, and Bruce Davises. Everybody misses. He's also had some hits (AB, Wallace, Keenan Lewis, Le'veon Bell, Beachum).

[pfelix73]

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Yea, I agree too. And look who's job it was to get the right mix of depth on this team in order to re stock the shelves, so to speak, when guys like Farrior, Hampton, etc. leave for retirement, etc.

I think to some degree we have to discuss Colbert's inability to restock those shelves with quality personnel. Remember when we had Porter backing up a Lloyd? just to name 1 example. We had capable personnel ready to come in and start. I know the draft is crap shot and you never know who will and who won't pan out, but that's no excuse. Colbert gets the big bucks to figure that out. Same goes for the cap and FA's. For a long time now, we really haven't brought in any high caliber FA's- like a Farrior. Or traded for a Jerome Bettis.. Those do come along very rarely, but still...No excuses, it's his job to work the cap and hire the personnel. Right now, I'm reading that Suh from Detroit may be on the trading block. If there is any possibility of wanting to switch over to a 4-3 down the road, maybe adding a player of his caliber would be a wise consideration. He's a football player, and I think would be a huge addition. Just an opinion on my part, but just saying, they gotta get some more talent on this team via FA and not just hoping on draft development all the time. Gotta be a mix there..

So, yea, it's time to put some blame on the GM...