3-3 and Likely the 2nd Worst Team in the League

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  • Flasteel
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 3946

    3-3 and Likely the 2nd Worst Team in the League

    The only reason we get spared from the bottom is that we eeked out a win vs the universally recognized worst team. One could make an argument that maybe the Raiders could be worse, but we are definitely in the conversation. There's a long way to go, but I have the feeling it's only going to continue to spiral down the drain. The defense may be the worst unit this team has fielded in decades and the offense is in the running for the most under-performing unit this team has ever had. It boggles the mind how bad we have become.

    Total lack of execution by the team and that can only come from a total lack of coaching.
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  • AxnJxn
    Backup
    • Nov 2008
    • 116

    #2
    Completely agree. Too much talent on this team to be this bad. Multiple major breakdowns on defense with receivers left completely wide open. The offense has some of the best talent in the league, and has been pretty much inept the past two weeks against two average at best defenses. The Ravens, with less talent on offense, scored at will on TB, and that was on the road.

    This isn't a lack of talent or a problem with execution. This is game preparation, adjustments and things that the coaches get paid to do. I can't see Tomlin getting canned, but if this continues, you have to change the OC or DC or both. Simply unacceptable results.

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    • squidkid
      Legend
      • Feb 2012
      • 5847

      #3
      Originally posted by AxnJxn
      Completely agree. Too much talent on this team to be this bad. Multiple major breakdowns on defense with receivers left completely wide open. The offense has some of the best talent in the league, and has been pretty much inept the past two weeks against two average at best defenses. The Ravens, with less talent on offense, scored at will on TB, and that was on the road.

      This isn't a lack of talent or a problem with execution. This is game preparation, adjustments and things that the coaches get paid to do. I can't see Tomlin getting canned, but if this continues, you have to change the OC or DC or both. Simply unacceptable results.
      tomlin will make someone the fall guy
      steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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      • AxnJxn
        Backup
        • Nov 2008
        • 116

        #4
        Originally posted by squidkid
        tomlin will make someone the fall guy
        Well, let's face it - the Rooneys aren't going to fire him yet. Unless this season completely goes down the drain and he does something unethical or whatever, he's here for at least another year. I'm not a huge Tomlin fan, but I'm also not sure this problem can't be fixed with a new coordinator on one side of the ball or the other (or both).

        Dunno what the solution is to completely fix this disaster, but I do think at this point that it's on the coaching and not the players.

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        • Vindrow
          Backup
          • Jan 2009
          • 206

          #5
          Here is the rest of the Steelers schedule:

          Oct. 20 Houston Texans (Mon), 8:30
          Oct. 26 Indianapolis Colts, 4:25
          Nov. 2 Baltimore Ravens, 8:30*
          Nov. 9 at New York Jets, 1
          Nov. 17 at Tennessee Titans (Mon), 8:30
          Nov. 23 BYE
          Nov. 30 New Orleans Saints, 1
          Dec. 7 at Cincinnati Bengals, 1
          Dec. 14 at Atlanta Falcons, 1
          Dec. 21 Kansas City Chiefs, 1
          Dec. 28 Cincinnati Bengals, 1


          Now who can they beat playing the way they are?

          At this rate we will be 3-8 by the time they get to their bye week.

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          • WVSteelerfan
            Benchwarmer
            • Aug 2014
            • 88

            #6
            Unless something miraclous happens to turn things around, I see at least 1 new coordinator next year, very possibly 2. Dick will retire, Haley will be replaced. Like it or not, I think Tomblin is here through at least next year before he's in danger.

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            • bostonsteeler
              Pro Bowler
              • Oct 2008
              • 1529

              #7
              Well, we would still have won three games. By some accounts that makes Tomlin untouchable.
              He needs to rack up two solid 0-16 seasons before he can be touched.

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              • BradshawsHairdresser
                Legend
                • Dec 2008
                • 7056

                #8
                Originally posted by AxnJxn
                Completely agree. Too much talent on this team to be this bad. Multiple major breakdowns on defense with receivers left completely wide open. The offense has some of the best talent in the league, and has been pretty much inept the past two weeks against two average at best defenses. The Ravens, with less talent on offense, scored at will on TB, and that was on the road.

                This isn't a lack of talent or a problem with execution. This is game preparation, adjustments and things that the coaches get paid to do. I can't see Tomlin getting canned, but if this continues, you have to change the OC or DC or both. Simply unacceptable results.

                $$$$$

                Only thing I would add is that if this continues, the OC, DC and HC ought to ALL lose their jobs at the end of the season. I don't know if they would can Tomlin, but they should. Make a clean break and a fresh start.

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                • NJ-STEELER
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 12563

                  #9
                  what "talent" do you all see on this team.

                  the high drafted D players are all miscast

                  the offense has ben, brown, bell in a league where the better teams have (almost) double the amount of weapons

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                  • Discipline of Steel
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 3882

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Vindrow
                    Here is the rest of the Steelers schedule:
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                    One of the next three then Jets and Titans, ending at 6-5 by the break.
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                    Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.

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                    • Ghost
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 6234

                      #11
                      I don't think Tomlin's seat is even warm. He'll get 2015 for sure and if that is a non-playoff year then it is hot. Some coaches are getting fired at the end of this year for sure though.

                      As as to talent, maybe we've been deluding ourselves. Maybe it's not much better than average. Allen is bad. Troy is done. Spence is invisible as a linebacker (no better than V Wiiliams last year). Thomas at DE is bad. Mitchell has no splash plays. Woirlds is not living up to his billing.

                      And O is no better. Honestly, Ben is not a top 10 QB right now. Bell is fun and exciting. Brown is the only WR who can consistently get open. Line is inconsistent. And inside the 10 yard line is the biggest cluster F I've ever seen in my life. They can't score TDs. Mind boggling bad in close.
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                      • Flasteel
                        Hall of Famer
                        • May 2008
                        • 3946

                        #12
                        Originally posted by AxnJxn
                        Completely agree. Too much talent on this team to be this bad. Multiple major breakdowns on defense with receivers left completely wide open. The offense has some of the best talent in the league, and has been pretty much inept the past two weeks against two average at best defenses. The Ravens, with less talent on offense, scored at will on TB, and that was on the road.

                        This isn't a lack of talent or a problem with execution. This is game preparation, adjustments and things that the coaches get paid to do. I can't see Tomlin getting canned, but if this continues, you have to change the OC or DC or both. Simply unacceptable results.
                        If this continues, Tomlin should resign at the end of the year. The Rooneys aren't likely to fire him no matter how bad it gets, but if he can't fix this situation, then he needs to man-up and do the respectable thing. I normally wouldn't view quitting as honorable or epitomizing leadership. However, when disgrace sets in and you have been at the helm for a nearly unprecedented decline of a once proud and feared franchise, then you owe it to the "standard" to step aside and let someone more capable make the decisions.

                        I've always liked Tomlin and his brand of coaching. But this guy has a franchise QB (who didn't play like one today), an all-pro receiver, Pro Bowl TE, maybe the best backfield in football, and an improving line stocked with top draft choices. That's just one side of the ball. We've also invested heavily in our front 7 and as a result, have seen the defense become an embarrassing shell of what we are all used to seeing. Colbert deserves some of the blame, as many of the picks have proven over time that they were overdrafted. However, Tomlin is in the room too. He also is charged with developing these players and putting them in the best position to maximize their skill set.

                        I'm going with an epic fail in that effort, outside of maybe Cam Heyward in that front 7.

                        The jury is still out on others but so far, there is very little return on any of our other premium investments.

                        Blame the coordinators all you want...and they deserve plenty of criticism...as do the players who continue to embarrass the uniform each week. But at the end of the day, one guy hires the coordinators and one guy has the ability to step in and force adjustments.

                        Tomlin has 11 games left to at least get the arrow pointing upwards for this franchise. Anything short of that and he needs to do the honorable thing and fall on the sword. If he was Japanese, we wouldn't have to worry about it.
                        Last edited by Flasteel; 10-12-2014, 05:21 PM.
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                        • WindyCitySteel
                          Legend
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 15483

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Flasteel
                          I've always liked Tomlin and his brand of coaching.
                          Which is what, exactly, besides played out catch phrases?

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                          • sick beats
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 2144

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Vindrow
                            Here is the rest of the Steelers schedule:

                            Oct. 20 Houston Texans (Mon), 8:30 - L
                            Oct. 26 Indianapolis Colts, 4:25 - L
                            Nov. 2 Baltimore Ravens, 8:30* - L
                            Nov. 9 at New York Jets, 1 - could eak out a W, but could also easily lose.
                            Nov. 17 at Tennessee Titans (Mon), 8:30 - You'd like to think a W, but I really don't know
                            Nov. 23 BYE
                            Nov. 30 New Orleans Saints, 1 - L
                            Dec. 7 at Cincinnati Bengals, 1 - L
                            Dec. 14 at Atlanta Falcons, 1 - L
                            Dec. 21 Kansas City Chiefs, 1 - L
                            Dec. 28 Cincinnati Bengals, 1 - L


                            Now who can they beat playing the way they are?

                            At this rate we will be 3-8 by the time they get to their bye week.
                            They will someone win a few more. 6-10. Now that is F'n fire worthy, but the Rooneys respond to making coaching changes using a pre-Columbian Mesoamerica Mayan calendar. If they haven't fixed this mess by now, with the current staff, when will they? All I hear is hot air, but nothing actually changes.

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                            • hawaiiansteel
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 35271

                              #15

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