I Put This Loss on....

[RuthlessBurgher]

Bite your tounge, this is total heresy
When you have a HOF coach you force your players to adapt to the system.
You absolutely never use your players strengths as an asset.
Even if it takes 3 or 4 years to have them adapt, you need to force them by any means.
This is the word of St. LeBeau.....

Just curious...which players' strengths in particular are you referring to that are absolutely never being used as an asset?

[pittpete]

This year or the past?

[K Train]

Really? So you're implying Pete Carroll has never made an adjustment or has thrown in new wrinkles to his schemes EVER? You're implying he's never adjusted his defenses to the talent he had at the time rather than try to hammer square pegs into round holes?

This is just a massive assumption based on the current state of the defense...without watching the defense they are running so far this year at all

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[papillon]

Fair enough. My concern is the organization feels that they absolutely must keep their coaches for a long time even when it's not working. Just because Noll and Cowher were kept for as long as they were doesn't mean it's a good idea with Tomlin.

Well, here's the thing about keeping coaches for long periods of time. Since 1969 there have been a few constants with the Steelers as an organization and during that time they have won the most Super Bowls and I believe are the wining-est franchise in the NFL. Now, maybe this model doesn't work any longer, but I don't think that a 2-3 year sample is enough to give up on the model.

1) Build through the draft, regardless of draft success or failure
2) Keep the coach consistent for as long he's willing to keep the job
3) Make your own free agents a priority over other team's free agents
4) Patience in developing players

The hype surrounding DeCastro and Jones is playing a big part in a fans perspective of what is happening. We are expecting these two guys to be All-world because of the hype that accompanied them in the draft and the fact that every mediot felt like the Steelers got great players and great value as well. That hasn't happened yet, so fans believe the players are great and the coaches must not know what they're doing, otherwise, these two would already be great.

Maybe the team needs a new perspective on defense and/or offense I don't know. I don't see a reason to change what has been successful through multiple decades and many rule changes.

Pappy

[K Train]

fwiw, DeCastro is a stud

[Slapstick]

If you don't think the coaches are capable of doing the job, why hire them?

Tomlin was a first time HC who coached a veteran 8-8 team to two SBs within his first five seasons...now, a combination of bad drafting and less than ideal salary cap management has led to two consecutive 8-8 seasons...

Now, if you think the most important thing is assigning the blame, then that is your prerogative...but, I hope that our coaches and players are less concerned with blame and more concerned with fixing the problem, if possible...

[SidSmythe]

I started this thread to blame this loss on Ben .... but unfortunately blaming 1 loss on a player automatically leads people to believe you think that player sucks and should be cut. It also opens the door to allow the whiners an opportunity to spew their doom and gloom.

[feltdizz]

I started this thread to blame this loss on Ben .... but unfortunately blaming 1 loss on a player automatically leads people to believe you think that player sucks and should be cut. It also opens the door to allow the whiners an opportunity to spew their doom and gloom.

I would blame Ben but he was hit so hard on that first series I think it had an effect on his game. He was off.

[K Train]

Ive never seen ben so off....hes played better with a broken thumb and hyperextended knee before. he must have really been rattled

[sick beats]

Ive never seen ben so off....hes played better with a broken thumb and hyperextended knee before. he must have really been rattled

That was a vicious shot (although I don't think it was illegal, this is football). It may have indeed jacked him up for the entire game, who knows.