I didn't write it but could of...

[ikestops85]

Point out all you want that none of the DE mentioned exceeded 5 sacks, but I bet all or most had more than the 1 Jarvis Jones had. Also, I bet these guys typically played more than an OLB typically plays in our system as a rookie.

I'll bet they never dropped into coverage either.

[Slapstick]

Point out all you want that none of the DE mentioned exceeded 5 sacks, but I bet all or most had more than the 1 Jarvis Jones had. Also, I bet these guys typically played more than an OLB typically plays in our system as a rookie.

Okay...but, the point is still valid that all of those players had an NFL learning curve, regardless of whether or not they played DE or OLB in college or the NFL...

It isn't as though those guys came into the NFL recording double digit sacks their respective rookie years...

[Captain Lemming]

I don't see why it would be harder to find a DE than an OLB...

Look at recent drafts Dizz.
2013
Dion J 6'6" 250 can go to any team as DE or LB
Ditto for
Anzah
Mingo

All three coveted by EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL. All three drafted TOP 6. Despite modest college production the are long gone before we draft.

Jarvis Jones a college 3/4 LB who specializes in pass rush leading the country is ONLY a consideration of 3/4 teams, we draft him at 17. HE IS THW ONLY PASS RUSH SPECIALIST taken by a 3/4 team in the first. EVERY SINGLE TWEENER was gobbled up by a 4/3 team with a top 6 pick.

It is simple numbers. EVERYONE IN THE NFL wants 6'5' 250.
6'2" 240 pass rush specialists only gets first round interest from half the teams.

Another way to look at it is we essentially have twice the talent pool. It is easier for us because we CAN TAKE 6'6" 250, but are not LIMITED to that guy as our prototype.

The same when it comes to OUR DE options. We get Heyward and Tuitt, WHO ARE OUR PROTOTYPES, way later than prototype Dline 4/3 guys. Nix went with what could have been OUR 3RD ROUND pick.

If Woodley or Jones were 6'6" 250 the would go top 10 EASY.

[K Train]

Look at recent drafts Dizz.
2013
Dion J 6'6" 250 can go to any team as DE or LB
Ditto for
Anzah
Mingo

All three coveted by EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL. All three drafted TOP 6. Despite modest college production the are long gone before we draft.

Jarvis Jones a college 3/4 LB who specializes in pass rush leading the country is ONLY a consideration of 3/4 teams, we draft him at 17. HE IS THW ONLY PASS RUSH SPECIALIST taken by a 3/4 team in the first. EVERY SINGLE TWEENER was gobbled up by a 4/3 team with a top 6 pick.

It is simple numbers. EVERYONE IN THE NFL wants 6'5' 250.
6'2" 240 pass rush specialists only gets first round interest from half the teams.

Another way to look at it is we essentially have twice the talent pool. It is easier for us because we CAN TAKE 6'6" 250, but are not LIMITED to that guy as our prototype.

The same when it comes to OUR DE options. We get Heyward and Tuitt, WHO ARE OUR PROTOTYPES, way later than prototype Dline 4/3 guys. Nix went with what could have been OUR 3RD ROUND pick.

If Woodley or Jones were 6'6" 250 the would go top 10 EASY.

I passionately disagree about Mingo and jordan being DEs. Mingo is the prototype weakside OLB in a 34 (pretty sure the browns are running a 34 again btw) and Dion Jordan is tremendous in space and in coverage and is best fit for a 43 OLB ala Manny Lawson. 43 DE should be his last position

Never thought of Ansah as a tweener, he was full on 43 DE to me, lebeau loved him though

[phillyesq]

Point out all you want that none of the DE mentioned exceeded 5 sacks, but I bet all or most had more than the 1 Jarvis Jones had. Also, I bet these guys typically played more than an OLB typically plays in our system as a rookie.

Cameron Jordan had 1 sack his rookie year.

Jarvis Jones played plenty. When the Steelers had guys like Joey Porter, Woodley, Harrison, etc. in their prime, rookies didn't play much, nor should they have.

[steelz09]

I think Jones will be one of the best defensive players this year.

[Shawn]

Just find any guy who is 240 and let him run around huh?

You gave a dry azz requirement for the OLB vs an all world DE.

Yeah that's what I said.

[feltdizz]

Yeah that's what I said.

basically...lol.

a guy that's 240 who can run a 4.6.

You didn't list off his assignments and how well he has to be able to execute them.