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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 35651

    It's way too early to worry about Jarvis Jones

    It's way too early to worry about Jarvis Jones

    By Jim Racalto on Jun 3 2014



    Jarvis Jones is being relied upon in 2014 to develop into an elite pass rusher. The pressure is on for last year's first-round pick to play like a first-rounder. Some are already labeling him a bust. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    I came across an article the other day asking if it's too early to label second-year OLB Jarvis Jones a bust. Yes, the same Jarvis Jones the Steelers selected with the 17th pick overall in last year's NFL draft.

    My initial thought was "of course it's too early." Several reasons began swirling in my head as to why the thought of Jones being a bust is a ridiculous notion at this stage of his young career.

    There's nothing to worry about with Jarvis Jones.

    First, let's take into account the fact that rookies do not usually see significant playing time in Dick LeBeau's defense, although it looks like that trend will be broken this season. Jones was forced into action in 2013 when LaMarr Woodley went down with an injury.

    This led to Jones playing an astounding 636 snaps as a rookie, and logging over 350 pass rushes. Given the amount of time he was on the field, his statistics weren't all that impressive - Jones had 1 sack and 40 tackles.

    From 1977 to 2012, the Steelers selected a linebacker only twice in the first round of the draft. Talk about added pressure on top of being thrown into the fire far quicker than normal for a rookie on defense.

    It's known very well in the annals of NFL folklore that Dick LeBeau's defense is one of the most complex to grasp, however. Jones' play in 2013 displays perfectly why rookies don't start for LeBeau that often. The mental part of the 3-4 zone blitz scheme can be too much for a young player to master right away. I believe Jones fell victim to this last season.

    Taking a look back through the 2000's up until right now, there are several players who became productive starters and/or stars on the Steelers' defense after seeing scarce playing time their rookie seasons. This is the reason I believe it's way too early to think Jones won't develop into the player the Steelers envision.

    Take the following examples, for instance:

    OLB James Harrison was released three times by the Steelers from 2002 to 2004. He only started eight games from 2002 to 2006. Yet in 2007, he won the starting job and the rest is history. People worry that Jones only weighing 240 pounds will hinder his ability, yet Harrison played at 242 pounds.

    SS Troy Polamalu didn't start a single game during his 2003 rookie season. After taking a year to learn and develop, he became arguably the best safety of this generation.

    CB Ike Taylor only started two games in his first two seasons, then became a full-time starter in 2005. He lost his job briefly in 2006, then regained it in 2007. He's been a constant in the Steelers' secondary ever since.

    ILB Lawrence Timmons only started two games in his first two seasons after being drafted in the first round in 2007. He was moved from OLB to full-time ILB in 2009, and has been one of the best players on the defense since.

    OLB LaMarr Woodley didn't start a single game his rookie year of 2007, then went on to become one of the most dominant pass rushers in the NFL from 2008 to 2011. He is no longer with the Steelers, but taking a year to learn really helped Woodley thrive when called upon to start.

    DE Cam Heyward didn't start a game until his third season with the Steelers, which was last year. After sitting the bench for two seasons, Heyward had a breakout campaign in 2013.

    OLB Jason Worilds didn't get a chance to start until last year, and he came through with a breakout season just like Heyward.

    All of these players benefited from not being thrown right into the fire, but taking the time to learn the scheme and develop. This luxury was not afforded to Jarvis Jones last year.

    If history is any indication, Jones is primed to make a leap in 2014. While his performance wasn't overly great in 2013, the experience he gained is invaluable. Once the mental part of the game slows down for him, I fully expect Jones to develop into the pass rush specialist he's supposed to be, and help the Steelers return to the upper echelon of NFL defenses.

    [URL]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2014/6/3/5776390/steelers-depth-chart-2014-jarvis-jones[/URL]
  • Shawn
    Legend
    • Mar 2008
    • 15131

    #2
    Good article...and I completely agree. When you have a OLB not known for speed slowed down by the system...you will have problems. He will be better this year...probably not great but decent. Then next season...boom...it will click. I believe in the Steelers assessment of talent especially at the top end of the draft. He will be just fine. Then we can move onto Bustzier.
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    • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 3938

      #3
      "Paralysis by Analysis". Playing strength will come...When he gets his mind right & he could just play...he will be fine.

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      • Discipline of Steel
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        • Aug 2008
        • 3882

        #4
        I haven't heard anything great about Shazier coming out of OTAs. Looks like another wasted draft pick....
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        • Shawn
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          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          #5
          Totally agree DoS, Shazier should be lighting it up in OTA's. Don't know why the Steelers keep drafting these flops.
          Trolls are people too.

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          • squidkid
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            • Feb 2012
            • 5847

            #6
            no worries. these guys will be HOF
            steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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            • feltdizz
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              • May 2008
              • 27564

              #7
              Originally posted by Shawn
              Good article...and I completely agree. When you have a OLB not known for speed slowed down by the system...you will have problems. He will be better this year...probably not great but decent. Then next season...boom...it will click. I believe in the Steelers assessment of talent especially at the top end of the draft. He will be just fine. Then we can move onto Bustzier.
              so many players talk about the complexity of this D... not sure why fans refuse to accept it. Playing all those snaps as a rookie should make the game much slower for him this year.
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              • phillyesq
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                • May 2008
                • 7568

                #8
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                so many players talk about the complexity of this D... not sure why fans refuse to accept it. Playing all those snaps as a rookie should make the game much slower for him this year.
                Rookies throughout the league are slow to adjust. The idea that the Steelers are the only team on which rookies generally don't make strong contributions is simply a myth.

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                • Oviedo
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                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #9
                  Originally posted by feltdizz
                  so many players talk about the complexity of this D... not sure why fans refuse to accept it. Playing all those snaps as a rookie should make the game much slower for him this year.

                  Because to accept the fact that the defense is unnecessarily complex would require criticism of the architect of that system and that is "verboten" in the minds of some. It's not like the complexity is fooling any of our opponents as evidenced by decresing sack and turnover totals for the past three years and giving up a near league leading number of plays over 20+ yards last year.
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                  • RuthlessBurgher
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                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Discipline of Steel
                    I haven't heard anything great about Shazier coming out of OTAs. Looks like another wasted draft pick....
                    I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • phillyesq
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                      • May 2008
                      • 7568

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      Because to accept the fact that the defense is unnecessarily complex would require criticism of the architect of that system and that is "verboten" in the minds of some. It's not like the complexity is fooling any of our opponents as evidenced by decresing sack and turnover totals for the past three years and giving up a near league leading number of plays over 20+ yards last year.
                      There was another thread about some of the previous SB teams. Look at the 2008 team, and look at the defense that was trotted out there last year. Any difference in the talent?

                      You'll say that it's easier to find talent for the 4-3, but look at Dallas last year. Even with Monte Kiffin, their defense stunk.

                      You need talent for any defense.

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                      • papillon
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                        • Mar 2008
                        • 11340

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Oviedo
                        Because to accept the fact that the defense is unnecessarily complex would require criticism of the architect of that system and that is "verboten" in the minds of some. It's not like the complexity is fooling any of our opponents as evidenced by decresing sack and turnover totals for the past three years and giving up a near league leading number of plays over 20+ yards last year.
                        I could accept this side of the debate a lot easier if Dick Lebeau never put an outstanding defense on the field; however, history tells us differently. Regardless, of the complexity of the defense, the Steelers have had players that have been able to grasp and execute the defense at the highest level in the NFL. If other players can make it work, then today's players should be able to make it work, they aren't that stupid.

                        The difference now is that the players being drafted to replace aging vets simply aren't as talented as the players they are attempting to replace, if they were the replacement would be seamless as it has in the past, but they aren't and its taking them longer to get up to speed.

                        Now, if you want to lay blame on Lebeau, Colbert and Tomlin for poor talent evaluation on defense, I'll happily agree there, but I can't see how the complexity of the defense should be a problem, talent, yes, complexity, no.

                        Pappy
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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
                          • 27564

                          #13
                          Originally posted by phillyesq
                          There was another thread about some of the previous SB teams. Look at the 2008 team, and look at the defense that was trotted out there last year. Any difference in the talent?

                          You'll say that it's easier to find talent for the 4-3, but look at Dallas last year. Even with Monte Kiffin, their defense stunk.

                          You need talent for any defense.
                          Kiffin's son rubbed off on him. His D stunk at USC too...
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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27564

                            #14
                            Originally posted by papillon
                            I could accept this side of the debate a lot easier if Dick Lebeau never put an outstanding defense on the field; however, history tells us differently. Regardless, of the complexity of the defense, the Steelers have had players that have been able to grasp and execute the defense at the highest level in the NFL. If other players can make it work, then today's players should be able to make it work, they aren't that stupid.

                            The difference now is that the players being drafted to replace aging vets simply aren't as talented as the players they are attempting to replace, if they were the replacement would be seamless as it has in the past, but they aren't and its taking them longer to get up to speed.

                            Now, if you want to lay blame on Lebeau, Colbert and Tomlin for poor talent evaluation on defense, I'll happily agree there, but I can't see how the complexity of the defense should be a problem, talent, yes, complexity, no.

                            Pappy
                            not sure about that... I think the players of today are just as smart and talented as those other players. The problem is we no longer have 3 to 4 years to let these guys learn the D before becoming full time starters.

                            It's much easier to slowly put 1 or 2 guys into our D while it's top 5. However, when you have to put 4 to 6 guys into the rotation we see how damaging the complexity is on our younger players.

                            People are still referencing Kendrall Bell when asked about a rookie playing well in our D and that wasn't under DL.
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                            • Oviedo
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                              • May 2008
                              • 23824

                              #15
                              Originally posted by papillon
                              I could accept this side of the debate a lot easier if Dick Lebeau never put an outstanding defense on the field; however, history tells us differently. Regardless, of the complexity of the defense, the Steelers have had players that have been able to grasp and execute the defense at the highest level in the NFL. If other players can make it work, then today's players should be able to make it work, they aren't that stupid.

                              The difference now is that the players being drafted to replace aging vets simply aren't as talented as the players they are attempting to replace, if they were the replacement would be seamless as it has in the past, but they aren't and its taking them longer to get up to speed.

                              Now, if you want to lay blame on Lebeau, Colbert and Tomlin for poor talent evaluation on defense, I'll happily agree there, but I can't see how the complexity of the defense should be a problem, talent, yes, complexity, no.

                              Pappy
                              Because if you don't have the same talent, you make changes to put the talent you have in the position to be successful. You don't just keep forcing it hoping all the stars align and you get just the right player combinations gain. That method is sure to result in long term mediocrity and is very high risk.

                              While everyone wants to catgorize me as a LeBeau hater, the reality was for many years I loved what we did on defense because we had the players to make it work and work well. My issue is that it was clear to me three years ago we had a unique grouping of players and as we lost those players talent replacement was going to be a challenge because a whole lot of things just happened to go right for us; especially the conversion of players from college DE to OLB and college DT to DE. I always thought it was high risk to think that could continue especially as more and more teams copied what we were doing and started mining the same talent pool for the same type of players.

                              Add in the supposed complexity that the system has that requires several years to master and that makes it even more risky.
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