What level of celebrations bother you by Steelers?

[Captain Lemming]

I hate to play the race card but I wonder if Heath would be the go to Steeler if he was black and played the exact same way.

The "be like the white guy on the team" is a little bothersome.

I know where you are coming from, but in fairness he also mentioned Barry Sanders. The fact that he included Barry Sanders too tells me that race is NOT why Heath is the go to guy and he would be mentioned if he were black.

Heath happens to be the most productive TD maker currently on the team who "acts like he's been there" so he is a logical example.

[flippy]

Heres my take...celebrations that are an extension of the energy expended on a big play are OK. Shows the emotion of the game. Celebrations that are pre-planned can disappear, just seem self-aggrandizing. Those guys usually have a 'me first' personality. Signature celebrations like the Woodley kick on every sack get old pretty quick, specially when the Steelers are losing.

+1 couldn't have said it better.

I love genuine excitement and enthusiasm. But this pre staged WWE wannabe stuff has got to go. Not that there's anything wrong with the WWE. But it has it's time and place.

[feltdizz]

No need to play the race card. It's not about "being like the white guy." It's about doing your job as a professional. That's what I want to see--I don't care what the player's skin color is. Walter Payton was one of my all-time favorite players...I don't remember him having to do these idiotic chicken dances or whatever you call them after he scored a touchdown. Do we really need some kind of celebration every time a guy makes a good tackle, or a first-down? It's supposed to be a team game, but so many of the antics we see are all about "look at me, look at me." I can see a spontaneous show of emotion when you've just made a crucial play...but this other crap just gets old with me.

I hear you but I think race plays a part in this convo... no one ever says "man, Keisel playing the guitar after a sack burns me up, I wish he was more like Heath"

Its a team sport played by individuals who are paid different amounts of money. Walter Payton wasnt team first when he didnt want to speak after the SB because he didnt get to score a TD. I understood his frustration but he just won a SB and he was thinking about personal goals. When its all over... they dont put teams in the HOF, they put individuals in the HOF.

In this day and age wherr you can make a nice chunk from commercials and EA sports, why not? What next, make all the players have the same haircuts?

[Notleadpoisoned]

I hate to play the race card but I wonder if Heath would be the go to Steeler if he was black and played the exact same way.

The "be like the white guy on the team" is a little bothersome. I'm pretty sure I've seen Heath celebrate or point for a first down when in the moment....

My coaches always told me "if you want them to stop celebrating, play harder and win"

Black or white, I just want whoever is wearing the black and gold to catch the ball and move the chains or score TDs. If they want to celebrate or not is fine by me either way. Just catch that damn football.

[flippy]

I hate to play the race card but I wonder if Heath would be the go to Steeler if he was black and played the exact same way.

The "be like the white guy on the team" is a little bothersome. I'm pretty sure I've seen Heath celebrate or point for a first down when in the moment....

My coaches always told me "if you want them to stop celebrating, play harder and win"

Ok then, how bout be like Lawrence Timmons? Or be like Troy?

We've got a rainbow of examples to choose from here. I'm not buying this has anything to do with race as it does with self serving individuals. Guys that want to promote themselves will have a known go to move that they repeat just like a guy's finishing move in the WWE.

[Shawn]

Yes, "context" and intent matter.
"I am so happy because we are closer to winning the game" versus
"Look at me I am so awesome" for a routine play.

Not to mention the beating of chest by a guy who comes in after the fact on a sack acting as if he played some sort of significant role in the sack.

[feltdizz]

I know where you are coming from, but in fairness he also mentioned Barry Sanders. The fact that he included Barry Sanders too tells me that race is NOT why Heath is the go to guy and he would be mentioned if he were black.

Heath happens to be the most productive TD maker currently on the team who "acts like he's been there" so he is a logical example.

I know he mentioned Sanders but I'm talking about our team in general and the way Heath is used as the example of excellence. I never heard anyone saying Keisel should be more like Heath when it came to his guitar celebration.

I think its weird when a player does something nice and everyone is celebrating and you have a few fans studying a players movements
and getting angry at a first down gesture.

I really think it boils down to how happy you are as a person... people scream "just do your job" but guess what, thats part of their job. Its entertainment. When I work I listen to music and sometimes I'll sing or celebrate if I knock a rendering out the park... its good for work moral. Stiffs screaming about being professional are just miserable people.

Life is short... a football life is even shorter and filled with pain and endless headaches after its over... let them have some have fun

[Captain Lemming]

I hear you but I think race plays a part in this convo... no one ever says "man, Keisel playing the guitar after a sack burns me up, I wish he was more like Heath"

Its a team sport played by individuals who are paid different amounts of money. Walter Payton wasnt team first when he didnt want to speak after the SB because he didnt get to score a TD. I understood his frustration but he just won a SB and he was thinking about personal goals. When its all over... they dont put teams in the HOF, they put individuals in the HOF.

In this day and age wherr you can make a nice chunk from commercials and EA sports, why not? What next, make all the players have the same haircuts?

Brown does the first down ball drop more times in ONE GAME than Brent does a guitar in a season. Seriously it is hard to tire or even recall Brent's guitar thing. Ask a non Steeler fan what is Brent's sig, they will not have a clue. Heck Casey could do the MACARENA when he makes a sack, nobody would tire of it.

Brown doing it 5 times a game for the routine? That is ridiculous.

Proof?

The most hated celebration of all time is BY FAR was a white defensive end.
The Mark Gasteneau sack dance.

[feltdizz]

Ok then, how bout be like Lawrence Timmons? Or be like Troy?

We've got a rainbow of examples to choose from here. I'm not buying this has anything to do with race as it does with self serving individuals. Guys that want to promote themselves will have a known go to move that they repeat just like a guy's finishing move in the WWE.

But no one ever says that Flip... and if I have to bring it up in order for it to be said it shows that race does play a part in this.

and the NFL is just like the WWE Flippy. We have good guys, bad guys... refs who see what they want and ignore or miss obvious calls like the ref in the ring who is easily distracted.

In the end.. the NFL matters just a little bit more than the WWE when it comes to real life. It's entertainment.. let them entertain.

[feltdizz]

Brown does the first down ball drop more times in ONE GAME than Brent does a guitar in a season. Seriously it is hard to tire or even recall Brent's guitar thing. Ask a non Steeler fan what is Brent's sig, they will not have a clue. Heck Casey could do the MACARENA when he makes a sack, nobody would tire of it.

Brown doing it 5 times a game for the routine? That is ridiculous.

Proof?

The most hated celebration of all time is BY FAR was a white defensive end.
The Mark Gasteneau sack dance.

I know AB does it more than most but he also does a lot more than most on this team when it comes to helping us win.

I'm not compaing the amount. I'm comparing what is said about ALL celebrations and how this board ignores some while making AB's ball drop into an atomic bomb dropping on the field.

Did Keisel have a subtle celebration or do something after a tackle for no gain or a tackle on 3rd down? Probably...but we dont talk about it because it wasnt made into a big deal like AB's ball drop.

I feel like the AB thing is something OTHER teams should hate because it means 4 more downs but on here it irks fans. LOL... thats almost as weird as thinking its wrong for a teammate on the field to celebrate when another teammate gets a sack.

Some fans sound miserable.... just mad at anything that shows the players are having fun.

[Slapstick]

Wasn't Keisel's celebration the bow and arrow pantomime?

And he got penalized for it against Cincy?

[Captain Lemming]

But no one ever says that Flip... and if I have to bring it up in order for it to be said it shows that race does play a part in this.

While I get your larger point, that is not what we are seeing here especially when in the same post Barry Sanders is the other example (albeit non-Steeler).

The most frequent example used to makes this point is Emmett Smith. He has been used to make that point on THIS forum often. Why? He was a touchdown machine. I have NEVER EVER seen anyone make the same point about using Jason Whitton. Same principle here.

Heath Miller is the player who scores the most TDs (biggest play in the game) without excessive celebration. He is the BEST example on this team to illustrate the point. White folks don't have to look for the next best example to prove they aren't biased.

[feltdizz]

Yeah... I'm talking specifically about the Steelers and while fans can use whoever they want they always use the same guy. I remember someone also quedtioning AB's work ethic because of the celebrations and said "why cant he work out like Heath did when he wqs injured"

Its not that serious.. just seems like folks are quick to bash over something that is minimal and has zero impact on the game 99% of the time.

Oh well... you guys can continue to wince at AB's ball drop. I'll continue to celebrate it with him. It damn sure hasnt hurt his game.

[flippy]

While I get your larger point, that is not what we are seeing here especially when in the same post Barry Sanders is the other example (albeit non-Steeler).

The most frequent example used to makes this point is Emmett Smith. He has been used to make that point on THIS forum often. Why? He was a touchdown machine. I have NEVER EVER seen anyone make the same point about using Jason Whitton. Same principle here.

Heath Miller is the player who scores the most TDs (biggest play in the game) without excessive celebration. He is the BEST example on this team to illustrate the point. White folks don't have to look for the next best example to prove they aren't biased.

I tend to think that people just mention the offensive players that touch the ball. So our choices are be like Heath, Ben, AB, or Bell. Which of these guys is the most mild mannered out of these 4. And that's why people say Heath Miller.

I really don't think there's more to it than that. But I dunno anything about racism and stuff. I'm generally naive. The only time I even noticed race was a time that my little brother took me to his families church in the south and it was an all black church. And I probably wouldn't have thought anything about it if I didn't have everyone staring at me like WTF is this guy doing here? LOL

Society doesn't seem to care anymore as far as I can tell about race stuff. But Southern churches sure do.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Wasn't Keisel's celebration the bow and arrow pantomime?

Bow and arrow...yes indeed. He has also paddled an invisible canoe after a sack as well. Always something outdoors related like the mountain man he is. I don't ever recall a guitar celebration.