Chadman's Draft Thread

[Slapstick]

Allegations are meaningless. Anyone can allege anything about anyone without there being a shred of truth to any of it. How can you say there is gravity to an allegation, unless there was truth to back them up and they turned into being found guilty in a court of law? I allege that you are a serial murderer. Man, that sounds bad. There must be a ton of gravity to the allegation. Serial murderer? Wow.

So, let's see if the commissioner suspends me from the board under the weight of your "allegations"...

[Slapstick]

Is that right? You are short on your facts... Before the hats, both Pouncey Bros refused to help in the investigation after Hernandez shot a Florida man in the face. It's alleged that the man was shot in a limo right before their eyes, and they chose to protect their thug friend and college team mate. A decent human being would have done the right thing. As sick beats pointed out, he has never lived up to the hype. I'm also tired of seeing him get rag dolled... I can't wait for him to be gone.

It was "alleged" that the man was shot right before their eyes...but, I was just told that allegations are meaningless a few posts ago and that anyone can allege anything...apparently, I am now a serial murderer (not even a good straw man argument)...

My point was, and it still stands, that people are wiling to overlook what Ben did or did not do while being unwilling to overlook what Pouncey did or did not do...neither player was ever charged with anything...

[Slapstick]

BTW, also not sure what all that has to do with Chadman's draft...

[Steel Life]

When did a TE become such a huge need for offenses, because of Brady and the Pats or Brees and the Saints? I just don't see why all of a sudden you need a big WR, label him a TE and then split him out or put him in the slot, etc. The Steelers main needs, IMO, are a play making WR, a play making ILB or a play making CB, guys that can actually change a game or force the other team to account for them. I just don't see the Steelers targeting a TE 9-10 times a game, Heath has been a great TE, but Ben looks to him only in certain situations and I don't see that changing while Ben is the quarterback.

A TE in the first would be a nice pick, but in all likelihood not one where the player has an impact on the game. I think the Steelers can get their type of TE in the later rounds, a solid blocker, good hands and a chain mover.

Pappy

The only critical areas for the team to shore up in the draft are at DL & CB with OLB depth probably next. I agree with you that a "game changer" is what's needed & to me the only one that would be available at 15 would be Hageman, with Ealy or Pryor next. I know there's a focus on CB in the 1st but despite some of the talent available I don't see one that would start for us Day 1. To me Hageman is the choice as he would be in rotation right away with a focus on pass-packages. Besides, the thought of Hageman on the Ravens' D-line with Ngata & Suggs is enough to make you sick.

As for the TE concern...I agree with Pap that choosing one in the 1st isn't the way to go. C.J. Fiedorowicz (Iowa) would be a better fit from a scheme standpoint & will be available in the 3rd or later rounds.

[Ernie]

Very good post Chadman. We just disagree on the OL. Adams can't play LT IMHO. Beachum is better there. Also even if Adams could play LT the OL is not set. Adams had to play TE last year because Gilbert was so bad at RT. Also what will they do with Pouncey? He is a FA after this season. Gilbert's contract is up after this season. Then you have Adams, Foster and DeCastro coming up after the 2015 season.

Agreed on all counts. Beachum is much better than Adams at LT. Really no comparison at this point. Maybe Munchak will coach him up and make it a contest at LT.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

As for the TE concern...I agree with Pap that choosing one in the 1st isn't the way to go. C.J. Fiedorowicz (Iowa) would be a better fit from a scheme standpoint & will be available in the 3rd or later rounds.

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As in my mock

[Oviedo]

CJ is only the answer if you think Matt Spaeth is the type of starting TE you want after Heath. CJF is very much Matt Spaeth II.

Personally, I think we need more of a weapon at the position to help Heath and eventually step in as a replacement.

[feltdizz]

When did a TE become such a huge need for offenses, because of Brady and the Pats or Brees and the Saints? I just don't see why all of a sudden you need a big WR, label him a TE and then split him out or put him in the slot, etc. The Steelers main needs, IMO, are a play making WR, a play making ILB or a play making CB, guys that can actually change a game or force the other team to account for them. I just don't see the Steelers targeting a TE 9-10 times a game, Heath has been a great TE, but Ben looks to him only in certain situations and I don't see that changing while Ben is the quarterback.

A TE in the first would be a nice pick, but in all likelihood not one where the player has an impact on the game. I think the Steelers can get their type of TE in the later rounds, a solid blocker, good hands and a chain mover.

Pappy

Everyone wants to be the Pats

[hawaiiansteel]

Everyone wants to be the Pats*

you forgot the asterisk *, fixed it for you...

[papillon]

Everyone wants to be the Pats

That may be, but the Gronkowski type skilled TEs don't grow on trees and even if they did, the Steelers just don't look to the TE often enough as the #1 or even the #2 option to spend a premium pick on the position with Heath still in the fold. The Steeler offense needs one good TE and another on occasion, they aren't the Pats and, in all likelihood, don't want to be the Pats.

Pappy

[feltdizz]

That may be, but the Gronkowski type skilled TEs don't grow on trees and even if they did, the Steelers just don't look to the TE often enough as the #1 or even the #2 option to spend a premium pick on the position with Heath still in the fold. The Steeler offense needs one good TE and another on occasion, they aren't the Pats and, in all likelihood, don't want to be the Pats.

Pappy

No doubt.. I agree 100%. Not sure why everyone keeps yapping about a 2nd TE when we have a few on the roster. Sure Spaeth isn't a big weapon in the receiving game but I think that is exactly what we want from our 2nd TE. Block first, block 2nd and catch a pass in the flat every 4th or 5th game.

[feltdizz]

CJ is only the answer if you think Matt Spaeth is the type of starting TE you want after Heath. CJF is very much Matt Spaeth II.

Personally, I think we need more of a weapon at the position to help Heath and eventually step in as a replacement.

It's not about what WE want tho... Miller still has 2 or 3 years left and I doubt we draft his replacement until his last year.

[Slapstick]

No doubt.. I agree 100%. Not sure why everyone keeps yapping about a 2nd TE when we have a few on the roster. Sure Spaeth isn't a big weapon in the receiving game but I think that is exactly what we want from our 2nd TE. Block first, block 2nd and catch a pass in the flat every 4th or 5th game.

But, if TE is the BPA, you should take him of you can't trade down...if Ebron is the best value, then you change your offense to take advantage of the receiving threat that he offers...split him out wide or in the slot while he develops as a blocker (and he is, at the least, a willing blocker) and let him become the #1 TE after Heath retires...

[Vader]

But, if TE is the BPA, you should take him of you can't trade down...if Ebron is the best value, then you change your offense to take advantage of the receiving threat that he offers...split him out wide or in the slot while he develops as a blocker (and he is, at the least, a willing blocker) and let him become the #1 TE after Heath retires...

I agree if he were the BPA. I don't think he will be. Ebron drops a ton of passes and isn't a great blocker. But he worked out great at the combine so some team will fall in love with his athletic ability and take him high.

[steelsnis]

Amazing how much intelligence is involved in the career of a Tight End (or any position for that matter). Rob Gronkowski is an incredible physical talent. He's big, fast, great hands, fearless...all you'd want in a player. He's also a bit of an idiot who plays with wild abandon. He's also constantly injured. Some is just bad luck, sure, but not all. Gronk seeks contact on the field.

Look at Tony Gonzalez. Probably the greatest TE the game has ever seen. One of the reasons he's played for so long and had such a great career is that he's consciously tried to avoid the big hits as much as possible. This might mean going to the ground a yard early, or getting out of bounds a yard early. Yet in the NFL, people often look at this as being soft or not a man. It's as they say, a "business decision."

Who would you rather have over the course of his career? A guy who avoids big hits or a guy that seeks them out? I know my answer. Give me a smart player like TG every day.