12 9 5 31

[birtikidis]

Those are Ben's stats
12 td
9 int
5 fumble
31 sacks

and he isn't the problem?

[drprwnap]

No QB in the league would be much better behind this so called OL

[RuthlessBurgher]

What about 13 TD's, 6 INT's, 5 Fumbles, and 26 sacks? Not too far off from the numbers that make Ben the problem, right? Those are the season stats for the guy who just put up 55 on us. His team is leading its division at 7-2. Just sayin'.

I agree on the veiled point you make but Ben isn't Brady and this OL isn't going to get better anytime soon. He's played behind a shabby line for years and that's been the hallmark of his improvisational career. But whereas he used to will this team to wins with clutch play, he seems to be the cause of our doom with his untimely TOs.

Also, Brady's defense helps him win games.... by no means are they stellar.... but they aren't old and soft. This unit is a joke compared to the unit that helped bring 2 more titles to The Burgh.

I am of the mind that we need to blow up this team.... from the top down.... including Colbert. We've chit the bed with our drafting over the past couple of years.... besides AB and MW the one year... I can't recall anybody with a tenure of 5 years or less on this squad that has made the Pro Bowl.

Here's to Bell next year changing that trend.

[Shoe]

Dude, let me place grenades all around your cubicle

and let's see how you fare over time.

Ben isn't Ben anymore (can't carry a team on his back), and now he turns the ball over too much, but he isn't the reason we're losing.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Any time a QB plays like ish it's usually a major reason why a team loses.

The defense is the main reason why this team isn't as good as it used to be.

[focosteeler]

and let's see how you fare over time.

Ben isn't Ben anymore (can't carry a team on his back), and now he turns the ball over too much, but he isn't the reason we're losing.

Turnovers by Ben are a huge issue. If he doesn't hand the ball over almost twice a game how does that change each game?

[Steelhere10]

and let's see how you fare over time.

Ben isn't Ben anymore (can't carry a team on his back), and now he turns the ball over too much, but he isn't the reason we're losing.

Half of the sacks is on Ben and more than half the TO are on him also. Ben is the biggest problem.

[Shoe]

Put it this way

If the argument is Ben (the offense) vs. the defense, how would this Ben look coupled with the 2008 Steeler defense? He'd only have to score 20 points, and he'd be given more opportunities (with more punts, more takeaways) to do so. It would certainly help to minimze his problems.

OTOH, put this defense with the best Ben ever...
We'd still have a 6th round rookie starting at ILB, an undrafted FA manning the nose. And we'd still have a gambling 32-year old safety coupled with a guy with one foot already out the door (auditioning all summer on NFLN and ESPN). And bottom line, we'd still be a step behind, having an inflexible 76-year old pulling the strings.

[NJ-STEELER]

hopefully NFLN airs a repeat of jets/saints game for those that are too busy on sundays to catch the other games in the league.

you'll see another franchise QB (one that you all probably cream over) look like when he's under constant duress.

INTs
taking unnecessary sacks
taking sacks that takes the team out of FG position

[AngryAsian]

What about 13 TD's, 6 INT's, 5 Fumbles, and 26 sacks? Not too far off from the numbers that make Ben the problem, right? Those are the season stats for the guy who just put up 55 on us. His team is leading its division at 7-2. Just sayin'.

I agree on the veiled point you make but Ben isn't Brady and this OL isn't going to get better anytime soon. He's played behind a shabby line for years and that's been the hallmark of his improvisational career. But whereas he used to will this team to wins with clutch play, he seems to be the cause of our doom with his untimely TOs.

Also, Brady's defense helps him win games.... by no means are they stellar.... but they aren't old and soft. This unit is a joke compared to the unit that helped bring 2 more titles to The Burgh.

I am of the mind that we need to blow up this team.... from the top down.... including Colbert. We've chit the bed with our drafting over the past couple of years.... besides AB and MW the one year... I can't recall anybody with a tenure of 5 years or less on this squad that has made the Pro Bowl.

Here's to Bell next year changing that trend.







Okay... here's to slanty eyes more functional at 5 in the morning... pressed the right button this time.

[DBR96A]

hopefully NFLN airs a repeat of jets/saints game for those that are too busy on sundays to catch the other games in the league.

Steeler fans don't give a damn about what goes on in the rest of the league, which is exactly why they **** on Roethlisberger all the time: they have no legitimate basis for comparison. They won't watch Drew Brees getting his ass handed to him by the Jets; they'll just pretend it never happens, just like every goddamn one of his 79 INTs/fumbles since 2010.

For that matter, they won't notice Matt Ryan's seven INTs in the last two games now that his starting WRs and a couple of starting offensive linemen are hurt. And he's only thrown two TD passes in the last two games to boot. He's taking a walk in Roethlisberger's shoes and playing no better.

As the early games were winding to a close today, my father and I were looking at the tickers on each channel, and we commented on how many QBs threw multiple INTs today.

By the way, here's a more in-depth analysis of Roethlisberger's nine INTs so far this season...


Inaccurate throw: 5

- Titans
- Bengals
- Bears #1
- Bears #2
- Patriots #1


Bad decision: 1

- Raiders #1


WR's fault: 3

- Vikings
- Raiders #2
- Patriots #2


"There are problems in Pittsburgh. The QB is not one of them." -Phil Simms, late in the fourth quarter of the Steelers' historic 55-31 loss to the Patriots

[flippy]

If the argument is Ben (the offense) vs. the defense, how would this Ben look coupled with the 2008 Steeler defense? He'd only have to score 20 points, and he'd be given more opportunities (with more punts, more takeaways) to do so. It would certainly help to minimze his problems.

And this is exactly why I think taking a LT in the first round of the draft might be maddening. It doesn't matter how much we help Ben on offense if we don't find defenders that can take the ball away and keep the other team from scoring.

The formula is still the same. Ben + Defense = Championships.

We need all the star defenders we can find. Bottom line, we need the 2008 defense. That's the only way Ben will ever have a chance to win.

[DBR96A]

And this is exactly why I think taking a LT in the first round of the draft might be maddening. It doesn't matter how much we help Ben on offense if we don't find defenders that can take the ball away and keep the other team from scoring.

The formula is still the same. Ben + Defense = Championships.

We need all the star defenders we can find. Bottom line, we need the 2008 defense. That's the only way Ben will ever have a chance to win.

On the other hand, Ben won't need "the 2008 defense" if the team gives him the weapons he deserves (and that every other noteworthy QB already has).

[flippy]

On the other hand, Ben won't need "the 2008 defense" if the team gives him the weapons he deserves (and that every other noteworthy QB already has).

Not sure I buy it. Ben's never gonna light up the score board. It's not conducive to his style of play. Ben could have Megatron, AJ, Gronk, and Jimmy Graham, AP, and an All Pro line and we'd somehow put up 20 points a game. We'd sputter through games like we always do. The D would have to keep us in the game. We'd still kick a lot of FGs in the RZ. And every game would come down to making the most of a chance at the end of the game.

[DBR96A]

Not sure I buy it. Ben's never gonna light up the score board. It's not conducive to his style of play. Ben could have Megatron, AJ, Gronk, and Jimmy Graham, AP, and an All Pro line and we'd somehow put up 20 points a game. We'd sputter through games like we always do. The D would have to keep us in the game. We'd still kick a lot of FGs in the RZ. And every game would come down to making the most of a chance at the end of the game.

He just got done putting 31 points on the board, which is more than any other team has scored against the Patriots this season.