12 9 5 31

[flippy]

He just got done putting 31 points on the board, which is more than any other team has scored against the Patriots this season.

It's all relative. The Pats put up 55. 31 isn't that impressive in context.

[DBR96A]

It's all relative. The Pats put up 55. 31 isn't that impressive in context.

It wasn't enough points to win, obviously, but if 31 points isn't enough, then it's kind of stupid to blame the offense, quite frankly.

[Ghost]

I know he had three turnovers yesterday but Ben also had 400 yards passing and 4 TD's. Those are huge numbers. The defense looked like a confused, scared, unprepared group of high schoolers out there for the vast majority of the game. The 6'6"/ 265 pound guy in the blue shirt went uncovered for most of the game as if they didn't know he would be a target. He was - for 9 catches and 143 yards.

I'll keep Ben but give me 4 or 5 guys on D who can make some plays and a new Defensive Coordinator who is willing to try new ideas.

[flippy]

I know he had three turnovers yesterday but Ben also had 400 yards passing and 4 TD's. Those are huge numbers. The defense looked like a confused, scared, unprepared group of high schoolers out there for the vast majority of the game. The 6'6"/ 265 pound guy in the blue shirt went uncovered for most of the game as if they didn't know he would be a target. He was - for 9 catches and 143 yards.

I'll keep Ben but give me 4 or 5 guys on D who can make some plays and a new Defensive Coordinator who is willing to try new ideas.

Playing from behind will always put a QB in position to put up big numbers and turnovers. It's the nature of the way a game like this plays out.

[Ghost]

In principal I'd agree with you flippy. And Ben put the Steelers in a giant hole early with a couple of awful turnovers and badly thrown balls. With that said, there are a ton of QBs in the NFL right now, that no matter how far down their team was, would not have the ability to throw for 400 yards. Ben was humming when he got this team all tied up. Then the D played about as well as my toddler's diaper looks after a big meal.

[feltdizz]

I know he had three turnovers yesterday but Ben also had 400 yards passing and 4 TD's. Those are huge numbers. The defense looked like a confused, scared, unprepared group of high schoolers out there for the vast majority of the game. The 6'6"/ 265 pound guy in the blue shirt went uncovered for most of the game as if they didn't know he would be a target. He was - for 9 catches and 143 yards.

I'll keep Ben but give me 4 or 5 guys on D who can make some plays and a new Defensive Coordinator who is willing to try new ideas.

Gronk should have been doubled all day. Damn near every other team doubles the TE like that but we do the Lebeau shuffle all game long.

This D is horrible.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Ben is not the problem...Period. Ben is the ONLY player on the field trying to put this team on his back and get them where they need to be. What does he get for that???? Everyone wants him gone. Surely you don't think there is another QB in this league or in next years draft that would have the ability to tell Haley to STFU I'm running the offense...Touch this OL with his jock strap & they would turn into ALL Pros...And his prescence on the field would miracuously make the defense return to form & play lights out football again...Do you?

There are a lot of guys in here that I like & respect that are calling for his head...But I pull no punches. Maybe this is too harsh...But you don't have a clue. Maybe you just haven't strapped a helmet on a know what "TEAM" & "LEADER" is defined. Sink or Swim...I know what BB is trying to do. I respect what he is trying to do. YES...He is making mistakes. YES...He is making plays. I also struggle to find anyone else doing the same. I would play for BB & break my neck trying to keep him clean. I would never have a bad thing to say about what he is doing on the field...I understand what he is up against. A MOUNTAIN...But BB is still swinging! If all you have is critical words & want to cast him off because of 2-6...You are missing the fight. If you don't understand...Take you stats...Find another team...And put BB your waiver wire in your fantasy league...Because that is the only football you understand. I can't stand the season is over at the half way point. I want Haley, Bicknell, & Smith fired. I want DL to retire & Butler to take the reigns. I want some vets gone because the are shells of their former selves. But I will tell you this...I am gaining alot of respect for BB for what he is trying to do against the odds in front of him. If you want to cut a man's head off for fighting...Then cut off Ben's. It make sense....Because He may be the only one out there doing just that.

[feltdizz]

Ben is not the problem...Period. Ben is the ONLY player on the field trying to put this team on his back and get them where they need to be. What does he get for that???? Everyone wants him gone. Surely you don't think there is another QB in this league or in next years draft that would have the ability to tell Haley to STFU I'm running the offense...Touch this OL with his jock strap & they would turn into ALL Pros...And his prescence on the field would miracuously make the defense return to form & play lights out football again...Do you?

There are a lot of guys in here that I like & respect that are calling for his head...But I pull no punches. Maybe this is too harsh...But you don't have a clue. Maybe you just haven't strapped a helmet on a know what "TEAM" & "LEADER" is defined. Sink or Swim...I know what BB is trying to do. I respect what he is trying to do. YES...He is making mistakes. YES...He is making plays. I also struggle to find anyone else doing the same. I would play for BB & break my neck trying to keep him clean. I would never have a bad thing to say about what he is doing on the field...I understand what he is up against. A MOUNTAIN...But BB is still swinging! If all you have is critical words & want to cast him off because of 2-6...You are missing the fight. If you don't understand...Take you stats...Find another team...And put BB your waiver wire in your fantasy league...Because that is the only football you understand. I can't stand the season is over at the half way point. I want Haley, Bicknell, & Smith fired. I want DL to retire & Butler to take the reigns. I want some vets gone because the are shells of their former selves. But I will tell you this...I am gaining alot of respect for BB for what he is trying to do against the odds in front of him. If you want to cut a man's head off for fighting...Then cut off Ben's. It make sense....Because He may be the only one out there doing just that.

bravo... bravo...

[DBR96A]

Ben is not the problem...Period. Ben is the ONLY player on the field trying to put this team on his back and get them where they need to be. What does he get for that???? Everyone wants him gone. Surely you don't think there is another QB in this league or in next years draft that would have the ability to tell Haley to STFU I'm running the offense...Touch this OL with his jock strap & they would turn into ALL Pros...And his prescence on the field would miracuously make the defense return to form & play lights out football again...Do you?

There are a lot of guys in here that I like & respect that are calling for his head...But I pull no punches. Maybe this is too harsh...But you don't have a clue. Maybe you just haven't strapped a helmet on a know what "TEAM" & "LEADER" is defined. Sink or Swim...I know what BB is trying to do. I respect what he is trying to do. YES...He is making mistakes. YES...He is making plays. I also struggle to find anyone else doing the same. I would play for BB & break my neck trying to keep him clean. I would never have a bad thing to say about what he is doing on the field...I understand what he is up against. A MOUNTAIN...But BB is still swinging! If all you have is critical words & want to cast him off because of 2-6...You are missing the fight. If you don't understand...Take you stats...Find another team...And put BB your waiver wire in your fantasy league...Because that is the only football you understand. I can't stand the season is over at the half way point. I want Haley, Bicknell, & Smith fired. I want DL to retire & Butler to take the reigns. I want some vets gone because the are shells of their former selves. But I will tell you this...I am gaining alot of respect for BB for what he is trying to do against the odds in front of him. If you want to cut a man's head off for fighting...Then cut off Ben's. It make sense....Because He may be the only one out there doing just that.

It bears repeating, so I quoted it.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

31 sacks

and he isn't the problem?

Wow, now we lay all the fault for 31 sacks at the feet of the QB?

For any other QB in the NFL, the entire community would consider that an indictment of his OL. However, we are on such a witch hunt here that every sack he takes, every pressure he feels, every time he drops back and has pressure in his face right away is on the QB. What a joke.

[steelz09]

Wow, now we lay all the fault for 31 sacks at the feet of the QB?

For any other QB in the NFL, the entire community would consider that an indictment of his OL. However, we are on such a witch hunt here that every sack he takes, every pressure he feels, every time he drops back and has pressure in his face right away is on the QB. What a joke.

I don't want Ben gone but Ben would get sacked at least 35 times with the best o-line in the league. He would because it's Ben and it's the way he's played and has always played. That is pretty much why Haley was brought in.... to call some plays that REQUIRE quicker throws (like bubble screens) to PROTECT Ben from being Ben and to likewise keep him healthy for as long as possible.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I don't want Ben gone but Ben would get sacked at least 35 times with the best o-line in the league. He would because it's Ben and it's the way he's played and has always played. That is pretty much why Haley was brought in.... to call some plays that REQUIRE quicker throws (like bubble screens) to PROTECT Ben from being Ben and to likewise keep him healthy for as long as possible.

The difference is that with a good line he would also have some chances to do what he does best. With this OL he is constantly under fire from the snap of the ball. Give him some time and he will perform some magic to offset the sacks that he takes while looking for the big play. Give him no time and you get this.

And for those who state that others like Brady, Manning etc. would throw the ball away instead of taking those sacks, with this OL they would be forced to throw it away 10 times a game. How effective do you think they would be with numbers like that? Ben sees constant pressure every game, against every D. Other QBs see a bit of this kind of pressure when they face elite pass rushing defenses maybe once or twice a year.