I miss Bruce

[flippy]

Maybe having the same offense that everyone knew allowed the players to play without thinking. BA wasn't the greatest, but his offense actually looked like an offense and he used the strengths of his quarterback to produce offense. At times BA's offense put Ben in harms way, but Ben would rather that than to try and take three steps and dump it to a back or crossing WR. Sometimes you just have to let Ben play, he knows the risks. The Steelers have one of the best quarterbacks of all time and they're going to waste his best years changing coaches and schemes.

Pappy

the thing BA did best was let Ben do what he wanted. i don't think the Steelers got rid of BA because of BA. they got rid of him to prove a point to Ben. and that's kinda messed up imho if the goal is to win.

[papillon]

the thing BA did best was let Ben do what he wanted. i don't think the Steelers got rid of BA because of BA. they got rid of him to prove a point to Ben. and that's kinda messed up imho if the goal is to win.

Actually, I think what happened was the FO was trying to protect their 100 million dollar investment and Arians was trying to win football games, the two were mutually exclusive of each other.

Pappy

[birtikidis]

uhhh

felix jones

Felix Jones woulda made all the difference in the world today. Since he blew the world up when he stepped on the field. We woulda looked just as bad with him in as anyone else. I don't know if he can block well, but whoever is in at RB needs to be able to. we HAVE to be a throw first team.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

that's not what I meant.

your post made zero sense when you brought landry jones up.

[feltdizz]

Sorry, but no. Last year it was Haley's first, this year it is a brand new blocking scheme. BA more or less carried on the same offense each season. For as great a coach people like to say BA is, many of the wins by Indy were by Luck. And Luck only completed 54% of his passes at less than 7 yds/completion. Plus I believe he was hit more than any other QB last season. BA is a QB killer.

Now we have to wait another year since we have a new blocking scheme. DD looked great in our new scheme too.

BA the QB killer... killing them into the playoffs. Smh... he won coach of the year killing his QB.

[flippy]

Actually, I think what happened was the FO was trying to protect their 100 million dollar investment and Arians was trying to win football games, the two were mutually exclusive of each other.

Pappy

which is pretty messed up i really thought at one point that we might have the 2 best coordinators in football between DL and BA and we really screwed the pooch forcing BA out. it was eerily similar to the way i felt when Chan left Kordell who looked promising up until that point. then his career became a mess post gailey. i'd hate to look back on this the same way and say haley screwed up ben.

i realize looking back that ben hated whiz. but whiz was a good coach that pushed ben to be better even though they struggled to see eye to eye. we're in year 2 with haley and its not clear to me yet what haley is doing positive for ben.

[birtikidis]

that's not what I meant.

your post made zero sense when you brought landry jones up.

it did make sense. IF BA was our OC then Ben would have spent ANOTHER season banged up. It wouldn't have been long BEFORE Landry Jones was our starting qb. See where i'm going with that. Ben got sacked how many times today? How many times did he get hit? BA would have had guys running go routes all day long and Ben would be out by game 8. Hell he may end up hurt by that time anyway because he refused to throw the ball away or dump it off.

[birtikidis]

that's not what I meant.

your post made zero sense when you brought landry jones up.

Annnnnd I was quoting Felt not you... Sooooo.. yea

[feltdizz]

Actually, I think what happened was the FO was trying to protect their 100 million dollar investment and Arians was trying to win football games, the two were mutually exclusive of each other.

Pappy

true.., but we are doing a poor job of both right now

[Eddie Spaghetti]

it did make sense. IF BA was our OC then Ben would have spent ANOTHER season banged up. It wouldn't have been long BEFORE Landry Jones was our starting qb. See where i'm going with that. Ben got sacked how many times today? How many times did he get hit? BA would have had guys running go routes all day long and Ben would be out by game 8. Hell he may end up hurt by that time anyway because he refused to throw the ball away or dump it off.

yeah, I can see you're babbling about nothing

[papillon]

which is pretty messed up i really thought at one point that we might have the 2 best coordinators in football between DL and BA and we really screwed the pooch forcing BA out. it was eerily similar to the way i felt when Chan left Kordell who looked promising up until that point. then his career became a mess post gailey. i'd hate to look back on this the same way and say haley screwed up ben.

i realize looking back that ben hated whiz. but whiz was a good coach that pushed ben to be better even though they struggled to see eye to eye. we're in year 2 with haley and its not clear to me yet what haley is doing positive for ben.

Unfortunately, what no one is seeing and the Steelers are 10 years into the Ben era is that Ben is different, very different. Give him a play and he'll happily run it, but if it breaks down and there's something he can do to try and make it right he will try, regardless of the consequences. I would rather they let him play than try and save him for his 17th and 18th seasons. There's a better chance of winning a Super Bowl letting him play football his way, than there is trying to turn him into something he doesn't want to be.

He's is an unbelievably gifted quarterback, period.

Pappy

[birtikidis]

yeah, I can see you're babbling about nothing

Hey if you like getting Ben killed year in and year out that's on you. All i know is that it's been a minute since he's finished a season. But you have a hard time following along so I'll just let it go.

[feltdizz]

it did make sense. IF BA was our OC then Ben would have spent ANOTHER season banged up. It wouldn't have been long BEFORE Landry Jones was our starting qb. See where i'm going with that. Ben got sacked how many times today? How many times did he get hit? BA would have had guys running go routes all day long and Ben would be out by game 8. Hell he may end up hurt by that time anyway because he refused to throw the ball away or dump it off.

How many times did Ben miss the remainder of a season under BA? We won a SB with Mahan for goodness sakes.

The QB takes more hits with BA... but they also win more games and like the offense. Ben takes hits regardless... might as well make the playoffs and the SB while doing it.

[birtikidis]

Unfortunately, what no one is seeing and the Steelers are 10 years into the Ben era is that Ben is different, very different. Give him a play and he'll happily run it, but if it breaks down and there's something he can do to try and make it right he will try, regardless of the consequences. I would rather they let him play than try and save him for his 17th and 18th seasons. There's a better chance of winning a Super Bowl letting him play football his way, than there is trying to turn him into something he doesn't want to be.

He's is an unbelievably gifted quarterback, period.

Pappy

Pap I agree to a point. Problem is that he needs to buy into the system a little more and dump those short passes off. Team are going to pin their ears back and bring pressure all day long because 1 they don't respect our run game and 2 they know ben will hold the ball to make a play.

[SteelBucks]

Joe Walton was better than Haley is at this moment

Ha, forgot all about Walton! Remember the sign the fans hung at Three Rivers when the Joe Walton offense looked awful to start the season?

"J_E. Where's the O?"