Aaron Hernandez WTF?

[Captain Lemming]

[URL]http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2Xigckpck[/URL]

Odin Lloyd was pretty stupid thinking he could blackmail a guy like AH....

Look at your quote. They DO NOT think he blackmailed AH.

What shocks me is that the dude sucessfully sent those texts implying who he was with which shows he knew he was in trouble.
Couldnt he have told AH that these were sent, and that he would get caught if they killed him?

Was AH told this (I dont know how Lloyd doesnt in desperation) yet AH was stupid enough to kill hom anyway?

Bottom line, AH is a stinkin moron regardless.

[Captain Lemming]

Pats took a chance with him and long term it blew up in their face. He was rumored to be a "gang banger" associate while at Florida which is why so many teams stayed away. Never amazes me how stupid people can be.

Frankly, in a purely football sense the risk of a 4th rounder (he was the top tight end in college and "fell" to the fourth) paid off bigtime.
If it ended after the first deal it was a steal.
They just got burned with the second deal, but I dont now if they can go after some of his money due to any conduct clause.

for example:
"If you have any part of the execution of one or more people in cold blood you shall forfiet any signing bonus you received as a part of this contract".

[Djfan]

Frankly, in a purely football sense the risk of a 4th rounder (he was the top tight end in college and "fell" to the fourth) paid off bigtime.
If it ended after the first deal it was a steal.
They just got burned with the second deal, but I dont now if they can go after some of his money due to any conduct clause.

for example:
"If you have any part of the execution of one or more people in cold blood you shall forfiet any signing bonus you received as a part of this contract".

What do you bet that money was long spent before he pulled the trigger?

[Shoe]

Frankly, in a purely football sense the risk of a 4th rounder (he was the top tight end in college and "fell" to the fourth) paid off bigtime.
If it ended after the first deal it was a steal.
They just got burned with the second deal, but I dont now if they can go after some of his money due to any conduct clause.

for example:
"If you have any part of the execution of one or more people in cold blood you shall forfiet any signing bonus you received as a part of this contract".

Staying in a purely football sense, while I hope they don't have to pay him all the "guaranteed" money from his deal... I would hope that they are still taking the cap hit that goes along with taking risks in the draft. It isn't fair to the team that eschews athletic talent for fear of character concerns.

[flippy]

I heard someone mentioning the shootings AH was questioned about while he was at Florida. They said he was with 3 other guys that night of 2 shootings and they were questioned as well. 2 of the other 3 guys were the Pounceys.

If they go back looking into past open cases, could Pouncey end up implicated along with AH in some way?

Either way, it could mean Pouncey hangs with the wrong crowd as well. His brother Rainey has some off field problems as well.

[phillyesq]

Pats took a chance with him and long term it blew up in their face. He was rumored to be a "gang banger" associate while at Florida which is why so many teams stayed away. Never amazes me how stupid people can be.

Utterly moronic to take a chance on a character guy. Oh, wait:

[url]http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39976-Lions-Cut-Titus-Young-Do-you-take-a-chance/page2?highlight=titus+young[/url]

Yeah, in hindsight, very bad for the pats*, but from a pure football sense, even for a few seasons, they got more out of a fourth rounder then most do.

[Discipline of Steel]

I heard someone mentioning the shootings AH was questioned about while he was at Florida. They said he was with 3 other guys that night of 2 shootings and they were questioned as well. 2 of the other 3 guys were the Pounceys.

If they go back looking into past open cases, could Pouncey end up implicated along with AH in some way?

Either way, it could mean Pouncey hangs with the wrong crowd as well. His brother Rainey has some off field problems as well.

Ugh...

[Captain Lemming]

I heard someone mentioning the shootings AH was questioned about while he was at Florida. They said he was with 3 other guys that night of 2 shootings and they were questioned as well. 2 of the other 3 guys were the Pounceys.

If they go back looking into past open cases, could Pouncey end up implicated along with AH in some way?

Either way, it could mean Pouncey hangs with the wrong crowd as well. His brother Rainey has some off field problems as well.

Flippy, you aren't supposed to bring us BAD news.
Irrational optimism yes, humorous yes.

Anyway for the rest a link:

[url]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/30/hernandezs-red-flags-never-pointed-to-murder/[/url]

[feltdizz]

Utterly moronic to take a chance on a character guy. Oh, wait:

[URL]http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39976-Lions-Cut-Titus-Young-Do-you-take-a-chance/page2?highlight=titus+young[/URL]

Yeah, in hindsight, very bad for the pats*, but from a pure football sense, even for a few seasons, they got more out of a fourth rounder then most do.

lol @ "bet he is successful"

[RuthlessBurgher]

Mike Brown: Bengals wary of Hernandez’s character, Gronk’s back
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 1, 2013, 7:26 PM EDT

In the first round of the 2010 NFL draft, the Bengals selected tight end Jermaine Gresham. In the second round of that draft, the Patriots drafted tight end Rob Gronkowski. And in the fourth round of that draft, the Patriots drafted tight end Aaron Hernandez.

Obviously, no one could have imagined that Hernandez would become a murder suspect, but Bengals owner Mike Brown told Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com that Hernandez’s character was the reason the Bengals didn’t want him.

“That one is no secret. We just stayed away from it,” Brown said about Hernandez. “We didn’t question the playing ability. But we went for Gresham.”

Brown also said the Bengals removed Gronkowski from their draft board “because he had a bad back.” Gronkowski is currently recovering from back surgery.

The Bengals are feeling pretty good about the decision to go with Gresham now.

[URL]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/01/mike-brown-bengals-wary-of-hernandezs-character-gronks-back/[/URL]

[squidkid]

Mike Brown: Bengals wary of Hernandez’s character, Gronk’s back
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 1, 2013, 7:26 PM EDT

In the first round of the 2010 NFL draft, the Bengals selected tight end Jermaine Gresham. In the second round of that draft, the Patriots drafted tight end Rob Gronkowski. And in the fourth round of that draft, the Patriots drafted tight end Aaron Hernandez.

Obviously, no one could have imagined that Hernandez would become a murder suspect, but Bengals owner Mike Brown told Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com that Hernandez’s character was the reason the Bengals didn’t want him.

“That one is no secret. We just stayed away from it,” Brown said about Hernandez. “We didn’t question the playing ability. But we went for Gresham.”

Brown also said the Bengals removed Gronkowski from their draft board “because he had a bad back.” Gronkowski is currently recovering from back surgery.

The Bengals are feeling pretty good about the decision to go with Gresham now.

[URL]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/01/mike-brown-bengals-wary-of-hernandezs-character-gronks-back/[/URL]

sorry mr. brown, i call BS.
dont pat yourself on the back about these guys after the fact while you have a history of acquiring douche bags.

[Captain Lemming]

sorry mr. brown, i call BS.
dont pat yourself on the back about these guys after the fact while you have a history of acquiring douche bags.

Actually, I can see it.
Lesson learned from past mistakes.

AH was an absolute beast in college... by FAR the most productive guy, fastest guy by a mile.
EVERY TEAM interested in a tight end can rightfully claim they did not take him because of character issues.

Gronk JUST CAME OFF his back surgery so the concern was legit.

Gresham was "safe" but in no way spectacular.

And can you imagine the criticism he has received over the years for NOT taking Gronk or AH over the years? (Add Jimmy Graham, also in that class).

Given that context one can see why NOW he want to shout "THAT is why we didnt that those guys".
FINALLY an little findication!!!

[hawaiiansteel]

HOF removes Aaron Hernandez pic

Updated: July 14, 2013
ESPN.com news services

The Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio, has removed a photo of former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez after receiving complaints about it, an official from the museum told The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer.

"In the spirit of good taste we thought we'd take it down," Joe Horrigan, vice president of communication and exhibits for the hall, told the newspaper.

The photo, which depicts Hernandez high-stepping into the end zone for the Patriots against the Green Bay Packers in 2010, was the winning entry that year in the Hall of Fame's annual photo contest.

Hernandez is charged with the execution-style murder of 27-year-old semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd and is being held without bail. He has pleaded not guilty. The Patriots released the tight end last month after he was arrested.

[URL]http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9477025/pro-football-hall-fame-removes-photo-aaron-hernandez[/URL]

[flippy]

What's with all this high profile Hispanic dudes killing black dudes recently?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Aaron Hernandez Murder Trial: Former NFL Star Convicted of First-Degree Murder

By Erin McClam

Aaron Hernandez was convicted Wednesday of first-degree murder in the late-night shooting of a man in a deserted industrial park — a verdict that completed a staggering fall for one of the NFL's most promising stars.

Hernandez, 25, a former tight end for the New England Patriots, appeared to shake his head slightly as the verdict was read. He was also convicted of gun charges in the June 2013 killing of Odin Lloyd, who was dating the sister of Hernandez's fiancée.

The verdict carries an automatic sentence of life without parole barring unusual circumstances. The sentencing was expected to begin shortly.

The Associated Press reported that Hernandez's mother and fiancée cried and gasped when the decision was read in court. The jury, in Fall River, Massachusetts, had deliberated 36 hours over seven days.

At the time of his arrest, Hernandez had just been awarded a $40 million contract with the Patriots, one of the most celebrated organizations in sports. In February, he was on trial while they won the Super Bowl without him.

One of the prosecution witnesses was Robert Kraft, the owner of the Patriots. He testified that Hernandez had personally assured him that he was innocent.

The case against Hernandez was another black eye for the NFL, which, despite its seemingly unstoppable popularity, was already dealing with a crisis over concussions and other criminal cases.

Legal experts said all along that the case was mostly circumstantial, and that there was no clear motive. But surveillance video at Hernandez's home shortly before the shooting showed him holding what appeared to be a gun, and a joint near Lloyd's body had Hernandez and Lloyd's DNA on it.

The murder weapon was not recovered. Hernandez's fiancée, Shayanna Jenkins, testified that on the day after Lloyd was killed, Hernandez called her and asked her to remove a large box from their basement. She said she dropped it in a Dumpster but never looked inside.

Hernandez's defense team conceded that he was there when Lloyd was killed, but they pinned the act itself on two friends, Ernest Wallace and Carlos Ortiz. Hernandez's lawyer James Sultan described him as "a 23-year-old kid who witnessed a shocking killing" and didn't know what to do.

Lloyd, 27, was a semipro football player and a landscaper. He was shot six times in the middle of the night, his body found in a park not far from Hernandez's home.

Hernandez faces a second trial later this year in Boston, where he is charged with shooting two men to death outside a nightclub.

[URL]http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/aaron-hernandez/aaron-hernandez-murder-trial-jury-reaches-verdict-n341986[/URL]