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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #16
    Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
    Not sure where you came up with the idea that two years of players careers are wasted???? They get young defensive players on the field. Young players don't become full time starters until they are ready. There is a reason for that. The fact behind the Steelers reasoning is that they typically rank among the best defenses in the league doing things their way. How can you disagree with that fact?

    Defensive Points vs rank (Since Lebeau returned)
    2004 1st
    2005 3rd
    2006 11th
    2007 2nd
    2008 1st
    2009 12th
    2010 1st
    2011 1st
    2012 6th

    And you believe it can get much better then that? Good luck.
    Stats completely based on yards allowed. Very misleading. Factor in the ever decreasing number of sacks and INTs the "old guys" who have this wonderful in depth knowledge of the defense aren't getting and it becomes much more obvious why this defense is not the impactful defense it was five years ago.
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • Siggy00
      Backup
      • Mar 2013
      • 452

      #17
      Originally posted by Slapstick
      This.

      You can disagree with the philosophy, but you love the results...
      And time of possession in that same time frame?

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      • Mister Pittsburgh
        Hall of Famer
        • Jul 2008
        • 3674

        #18
        Originally posted by Oviedo
        Stats completely based on yards allowed. Very misleading. Factor in the ever decreasing number of sacks and INTs the "old guys" who have this wonderful in depth knowledge of the defense aren't getting and it becomes much more obvious why this defense is not the impactful defense it was five years ago.
        that 6th ranking for 2012 is actually in points allowed. not sure about the rest of the years presented.
        @_Hellgrammite

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        • BURGH86STEEL
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6921

          #19
          Originally posted by Oviedo
          Stats completely based on yards allowed. Very misleading. Factor in the ever decreasing number of sacks and INTs the "old guys" who have this wonderful in depth knowledge of the defense aren't getting and it becomes much more obvious why this defense is not the impactful defense it was five years ago.
          Those above rankings were based on points allowed not by yards allowed. I believe that points allowed is the most important stat for a defense. Still consider those ranking misleading?

          Turnovers and sacks are nice but can't be relied on to win games all the time. I also believe that pressure or the perception of pressure is more important then the number of sacks. Staying healthy should help to improve the number of turnovers. Injuries decreased the amount of pressure, the # turnovers, and # of sacks by the defense last season. Injuries to Harrison, Troy, and Woodley hurt the overall production of the defense. We will have to wait to see if Troy and Woodley can stay health and if Worilds can step up and play well.

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          • Mister Pittsburgh
            Hall of Famer
            • Jul 2008
            • 3674

            #20
            Problem hasn't been our defense. It has been our offense. When you have a potential top 5 QB and your offense is ranked in the bottom half of the league most seasons something is wrong. I pray a LT capable OT is available in the first or second round. Would love someone like Lane Johnson to be sitting there at 17.
            @_Hellgrammite

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            • papillon
              Legend
              • Mar 2008
              • 11340

              #21
              Originally posted by BradshawsHairdresser
              James Harrison did.
              He expected to be better and was. I hope Worilds expects to be better than Harrison and is.

              Pappy
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              • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                Hall of Famer
                • May 2008
                • 3937

                #22
                Originally posted by BradshawsHairdresser
                James Harrison did.
                And Worilds expects to be James Harrison.

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                • Sugar
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 3700

                  #23
                  Originally posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                  And Worilds expects to be James Harrison.
                  Does he?? The Steelers fortune would be incredibly good if he ends up that good. Even if he is "only" as good as Porter was, that's still really good.

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                  • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                    Hall of Famer
                    • May 2008
                    • 3937

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Sugar
                    Does he?? The Steelers fortune would be incredibly good if he ends up that good. Even if he is "only" as good as Porter was, that's still really good.
                    Let's hope! I'm using BradshawsHairdresser crystal ball & being sarcastic. The point is nobody knows what's on the bench until it is your turn to eat. Harrison sat behind Porter...Worilds sat behind Harrison.

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                    • Siggy00
                      Backup
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 452

                      #25
                      If Worilds is moved to Woodley's side he'll get 10 sacks.

                      If the Steelers bring Harrison back after interest has waned? Worilds should be cut.

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                      • Gus
                        Backup
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 172

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Siggy00
                        If Worilds is moved to Woodley's side he'll get 10 sacks.

                        If the Steelers bring Harrison back after interest has waned? Worilds should be cut.

                        Solid: You're projecting a guy to have to ten sacks, and you would consider cutting that guy?

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                        • Mister Pittsburgh
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 3674

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Gus
                          Solid: You're projecting a guy to have to ten sacks, and you would consider cutting that guy?
                          Pretty sure his intent is that if the Steelers feel like they NEED Harrison back and play him in front of Worilds, that Worilds should be cut...meaning, the Steelers don't trust Worilds enough to play him, so cut him.
                          @_Hellgrammite

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                          • Siggy00
                            Backup
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 452

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
                            Pretty sure his intent is that if the Steelers feel like they NEED Harrison back and play him in front of Worilds, that Worilds should be cut...meaning, the Steelers don't trust Worilds enough to play him, so cut him.
                            See class? Some around here can use their brains.

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                            • BigRob
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1381

                              #29
                              Originally posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                              Let's hope! I'm using BradshawsHairdresser crystal ball & being sarcastic. The point is nobody knows what's on the bench until it is your turn to eat. Harrison sat behind Porter...Worilds sat behind Harrison.
                              Here is a fact:

                              James Harrison had less of an impact on the field prior to taking over for Joey Porter than Worilds does for taking over for James Harrison.

                              Harrison - [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6314/index.html[/url]

                              Worilds - [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/24027/index.html[/url]

                              Harrison was also 3 years older when he took over the starting spot. I'm pretty comfortable with Worilds abilities. But I'm not super comfortable with his ability to stay healthy.

                              That is why we should sign Victor Butler.
                              Here comes the BOOM!
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                              • lloydroid
                                Pro Bowler
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 2026

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Oviedo
                                It took Harrison like 6-7 years, but everyone wants to forget that and expect immediate Pro Bowl status out of young player or they can't play. Get them on the field and they will either get better or we will know they can't and go to next man up.
                                That's the problem. This team is FAIL in terms of getting younger defenders on the field, and I am so sick of it I want to barf, right on Dick's sneakers.

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