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  • SteelerOfDeVille
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    • May 2008
    • 9069

    #61
    Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
    Question to the board ...

    What would be the first sign we fans would have that MAYBE Mr. Harrison might return? Something like a sighting of his agent on the South Side? A "leak" to a 'burgh reporter that talks are in progress?

    I'm wondering if all this deafening silence from the principals involved truly means that there is nothing happening, or if it's possible that things might be happening behind the scenes.

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    • Chadman
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      • May 2008
      • 6537

      #62
      Given where the Steelers are currently at, if Harrison does not recieve any interest between now & draft day, he's likely one player available who could have an impact for the team in 2013. There are not too many available players left that can have the same said.

      Ironically, one of the other FA's that might have the greatest opportunity to make an impact for the Steelers in 2013 is another former Steeler- Max Starks.

      Starks, possibly moreso than Harrison, would be a great addition- even if he's only asked to be a back-up. It takes away a 'need/want' going into the draft & gives a much safer feel than some 6th round OT backing up Adams/Gilbert.

      Chadman believes Ahmad Bradshaw will be signed. The Steelers are his best chance to start in 2013. Might only be a 1 year deal, but it's a good signing for both sides.

      If no NT is drafted, Chadman wonders if big Casey might be brought into Camp to put the torch on McLendon/Ta'amu/Fangupo..
      The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

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      • Eddie Spaghetti
        Hall of Famer
        • Jul 2008
        • 4123

        #63
        I think they have moved on from casey for sure.

        now, if starks is out there.....

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        • Chadman
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          • May 2008
          • 6537

          #64
          Originally posted by Eddie Spaghetti
          I think they have moved on from casey for sure.

          now, if starks is out there.....
          You'd think so, but there is no long term committment to McLendon or Ta'amu (at this stage) & Fangupo is 3rd in line. Not sure if NT is as set in stone as some might want to believe.
          The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

          Light up the darkness.

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          • Oviedo
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            • May 2008
            • 23824

            #65
            Originally posted by Chadman
            Given where the Steelers are currently at, if Harrison does not recieve any interest between now & draft day, he's likely one player available who could have an impact for the team in 2013. There are not too many available players left that can have the same said.

            Ironically, one of the other FA's that might have the greatest opportunity to make an impact for the Steelers in 2013 is another former Steeler- Max Starks.

            Starks, possibly moreso than Harrison, would be a great addition- even if he's only asked to be a back-up. It takes away a 'need/want' going into the draft & gives a much safer feel than some 6th round OT backing up Adams/Gilbert.

            Chadman believes Ahmad Bradshaw will be signed. The Steelers are his best chance to start in 2013. Might only be a 1 year deal, but it's a good signing for both sides.

            If no NT is drafted, Chadman wonders if big Casey might be brought into Camp to put the torch on McLendon/Ta'amu/Fangupo..
            Given the choice between Starks and Harrison I'm resigning Starks.
            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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            • Oviedo
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              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #66
              Originally posted by Chadman
              You'd think so, but there is no long term committment to McLendon or Ta'amu (at this stage) & Fangupo is 3rd in line. Not sure if NT is as set in stone as some might want to believe.
              I think that the Steelers may be seeing that the 3-4 that requires a dominant NT is just too hard to replenish from a talent standpoint. When LeBeau is out the door the 4-3 or a hybrid defense is going to happen. Too many teams are using the 3-4 now looking for the same dominat NT and "conversion" project DEs to play OLB. The talent pool is just shallower than in the past and it takes much of a players first contract just to get onto the field if they can. Inefficient in a cap driven league.
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • flippy
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                • Dec 2008
                • 17088

                #67
                Originally posted by Chadman
                Given where the Steelers are currently at, if Harrison does not recieve any interest between now & draft day, he's likely one player available who could have an impact for the team in 2013. There are not too many available players left that can have the same said.

                Ironically, one of the other FA's that might have the greatest opportunity to make an impact for the Steelers in 2013 is another former Steeler- Max Starks.

                Starks, possibly moreso than Harrison, would be a great addition- even if he's only asked to be a back-up. It takes away a 'need/want' going into the draft & gives a much safer feel than some 6th round OT backing up Adams/Gilbert.

                Chadman believes Ahmad Bradshaw will be signed. The Steelers are his best chance to start in 2013. Might only be a 1 year deal, but it's a good signing for both sides.

                If no NT is drafted, Chadman wonders if big Casey might be brought into Camp to put the torch on McLendon/Ta'amu/Fangupo..
                The problem is these 3 guys are still all better than their backups and the coaches would probably start them. I think that's why Colbert can't/won't do it.
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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
                  • 27564

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Oviedo
                  I think that the Steelers may be seeing that the 3-4 that requires a dominant NT is just too hard to replenish from a talent standpoint. When LeBeau is out the door the 4-3 or a hybrid defense is going to happen. Too many teams are using the 3-4 now looking for the same dominat NT and "conversion" project DEs to play OLB. The talent pool is just shallower than in the past and it takes much of a players first contract just to get onto the field if they can. Inefficient in a cap driven league.
                  damn dude.. no one can call you a quitter. I agree on more teams moving to the 3-4 makes it harder to find players but IMO half these teams will switch back. I doubt we will lead that change...

                  Also have to factor in the zone read... if that fad continues I think teams will use whatever D is better suited to defend against it.
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                  • Oviedo
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                    • May 2008
                    • 23824

                    #69
                    Originally posted by flippy
                    The problem is these 3 guys are still all better than their backups and the coaches would probably start them. I think that's why Colbert can't/won't do it.
                    That's exactly what some said about Harrison when Joey Porter left. Harrison had done zero to that point of his career.
                    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                    • Chadman
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                      • May 2008
                      • 6537

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      I think that the Steelers may be seeing that the 3-4 that requires a dominant NT is just too hard to replenish from a talent standpoint. When LeBeau is out the door the 4-3 or a hybrid defense is going to happen. Too many teams are using the 3-4 now looking for the same dominat NT and "conversion" project DEs to play OLB. The talent pool is just shallower than in the past and it takes much of a players first contract just to get onto the field if they can. Inefficient in a cap driven league.
                      That would be true, if they had actually swung & missed with anything but 1 shot at a future NT. Drafting Ta'amu & him being a headcase does not make drafting a dominant NT impossible. There appears to be 4-5 very good options at NT available within the first 2 rounds of the 2013 draft.
                      The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                      Light up the darkness.

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                      • Chadman
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                        • May 2008
                        • 6537

                        #71
                        Originally posted by flippy
                        The problem is these 3 guys are still all better than their backups and the coaches would probably start them. I think that's why Colbert can't/won't do it.
                        Could be the case. But that can't necessarily be a bad thing. It'll be up to the coaches to know how to expose the younger guys in order to know if they have some future talent or not.
                        The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                        Light up the darkness.

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                        • Chadman
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                          • May 2008
                          • 6537

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Given the choice between Starks and Harrison I'm resigning Starks.
                          Fair argument. Given the choice of Starks, Harrison & Hampton.... given the quality behind them, not entirely against Hampton being the guy to bring back.
                          The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                          Light up the darkness.

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                          • Sugar
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 3700

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Oviedo
                            That's exactly what some said about Harrison when Joey Porter left. Harrison had done zero to that point of his career.
                            Are you really counting on hitting that lottery again?? The coaches have said that they would have wanted to keep James. Add Troy and Clark to those voicing their concern about losing him. Maybe Worilds will be an All-Pro, but using the Porter/Harrison circumstance as a benchmark would seem sketchy at best.

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                            • Oviedo
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                              • May 2008
                              • 23824

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Sugar
                              Are you really counting on hitting that lottery again?? The coaches have said that they would have wanted to keep James. Add Troy and Clark to those voicing their concern about losing him. Maybe Worilds will be an All-Pro, but using the Porter/Harrison circumstance as a benchmark would seem sketchy at best.
                              Its only sketchy if you can't accept the fact that Harrison is fading and won't ever be better. The analogy between where Harrison was and Worilds is at this point of their careers is actually right on the mark. As far as the coaches, what coach has said they want and need Harrison except as a courtesy statement in an interview? Do you really think any of the coaches will ever say "we don't want him" or any othe player in an interview? Don't mistake a professional courtesy with the truth.
                              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                              • Sugar
                                Hall of Famer
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 3700

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Oviedo
                                Its only sketchy if you can't accept the fact that Harrison is fading and won't ever be better. The analogy between where Harrison was and Worilds is at this point of their careers is actually right on the mark. As far as the coaches, what coach has said they want and need Harrison except as a courtesy statement in an interview? Do you really think any of the coaches will ever say "we don't want him" or any othe player in an interview? Don't mistake a professional courtesy with the truth.
                                There is a difference between a courtesy statement and the kinds of things Troy and Clark were saying.

                                The last time the Steelers took the field, James Harrison was the best OLB on the team and he still would be if he were in camp this summer.

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