Steelers 2012: Lawyers Gone Mad

[Crash]

Exactly. I don't know how the ownership puts up with DL who constantly has one of the league's worst defenses. Oh, wait ...

I think this year has proven their ranking to be the farce it is.

Before I was wrongfully banned here I gave you people two big things to watch for, things that Arians couldn't be blamed for but always was:

1. Give back points

How many times did the Steelers defense give up a score after we scored ourselves in 2012? It's why we don't blow teams out, it's why we blow 4th quarter leads.

2. Lack of turnovers forced.

What was their rank this year?

What was their rank in 2011?

Then compare that to 2010, and what their scoring rank in 2010 (with Ben sitting 4 games) was?

You don't win games with yards.

I wish the LeBeau defenders would realize that already.

[Slapstick]

The Steelers defense was 6th in scoring defense this year...

Giving up points isn't the problem...neither is the defense...

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

No, we need an OC that's not handcuffed by ownership. Be it Haley or someone else.

We have two big games in Dallas, and then against Cincy, and Plaxico Burress is inactive, and Leonard Pope who sees what? One snap a game isn't? To do what? Play on the field goal team?

This ownership needs to realize the only way this team has a chance to win anything, is top build their offense around Ben and the wides.

Sorry, but this plodding, slow, snail paced offense is 100% crap. And fails to put this offense, and this team, in position to win.

Holy $hit...I agree with Crash!

Do I have to sign anything?

[Crash]

The Steelers defense was 6th in scoring defense this year

And where were they in time of possession? You can't give up points when the offense holds the ball Slap.

Case in point, the Eagles game: The Eagles down 13-7 take over with 14:51 left in the game after Suisham's FG.

They hold the ball for over EIGHT MINUTES, and score a TD to take the lead (So that's blowing a 4th quarter lead, AND give back points).

The Steelers then take over with 6:33 left, chew up the remainder of the clock, kick a FG, and win.

Now, someone like you who doesn't realize context of games would say, "they only scored three points in the 4th quarter, and the defense only gave up 7".

While ignoring the fact, that the only 7 points they gave up in that quarter, was the only time they were on the field during it.

This defense is overrated. I would gladly take a 15th "ranked" defense if they forced more turnovers.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

The Steelers defense was 6th in scoring defense this year...

Giving up points isn't the problem...neither is the defense...

I lean heavily the same way Slap feels. I definately want to see more pressure on the QB but nobody was lighting us up when our 11 were on the field. Pressure-Sacks lead to more turnovers.

One thing in here nobody mentioned so I will. These guys aren't just football players. The have a home life. BB getting married and having a kid had an impact on him. Throw in a new OC on top of that and stuff is falling off the plate. I expect BB to turn it all around next year with his feet under him. You can argue it didn't but there is no doubt in my mind that BB's guage was above the "full" mark in 2012.

[ikestops85]

And where were they in time of possession? You can't give up points when the offense holds the ball Slap.

Case in point, the Eagles game: The Eagles down 13-7 take over with 14:51 left in the game after Suisham's FG.

They hold the ball for over EIGHT MINUTES, and score a TD to take the lead (So that's blowing a 4th quarter lead, AND give back points).

The Steelers then take over with 6:33 left, chew up the remainder of the clock, kick a FG, and win.

Now, someone like you who doesn't realize context of games would say, "they only scored three points in the 4th quarter, and the defense only gave up 7".

While ignoring the fact, that the only 7 points they gave up in that quarter, was the only time they were on the field during it.

This defense is overrated. I would gladly take a 15th "ranked" defense if they forced more turnovers.

Sounds good to me. The Rams are the 15th "ranked" defense and they forced more turnovers. Go be a fan of theirs.

[Crash]

OMG, what exactly did Ben's child have to do with the defense blowing three 4th quarter leads (Three losses) in the seasons first 5 games?

Now I've heard it all. Ben's unborn child is the reason our defense can't hold leads.

Last year it was Arians.

Will it EVER be LeBeau?

[Crash]

Sounds good to me. The Rams are the 15th "ranked" defense and they forced more turnovers. Go be a fan of theirs.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................

You keep ignoring the facts.

I'll stick to them.

Six blown 4th quarter leads in 2012, four in losses.

That was supposed to be all Bruce Arians' fault.

But Arians is no longer here.

When does LeBeau's problems, become LeBeau's responsibility?

[Slapstick]

If only Crash weren't still on ignore...

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

OMG, what exactly did Ben's child have to do with the defense blowing three 4th quarter leads (Three losses) in the seasons first 5 games?

Now I've heard it all. Ben's unborn child is the reason our defense can't hold leads.

Last year it was Arians.


Will it EVER be LeBeau?

Who said that? You got slow while you were away. I said I was happy with the defense but would like more pressure-sacks. That would generate more TOs. I put it on the offense and BB. Not converting 3rd downs and redzone scoring. I can't believe in those must win games DL keyed BB helmet and told him Brandon Carr and Reggie Nelson were open. You are right...It is DL fault.

The defense down the stretch gave the Steelers every opportunity to win games.

[Crash]

Did they? Philip Rivers has sucked for 3 years.

Not against LeBeau.

Tony Romo's throws INTs in warm ups.

Not against LeBeau.

The problem LeBeau has is nothing changes in crunch time.

KC has a 4th and 15 down three points. What do we do?

Rush 4, drop 7 in zone, complete, kick a game tying field goal.

Cincy has the ball on our 46 needing a FG to go to the playoffs. What do we do?

Rush 3, drop 8 in zone (AND give Green a free release), complete, kick a GW field goal.

The same problems that used to be Bruce Arians' fault are still going on.

LeBeau is running out of scapegoats. Sooner or later is HAS to come back to him.

[ikestops85]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................

You keep ignoring the facts.

I'll stick to them.

Six blown 4th quarter leads in 2012, four in losses.

That was supposed to be all Bruce Arians' fault.

But Arians is no longer here.

When does LeBeau's problems, become LeBeau's responsibility?

Even Ben realizes the offense didn't hold up it's end. The defense certainly wasn't perfect. In fact it was downright bad at the beginning of the year. But then the old man made some adjustments and it played well for the rest of the year. I agree with you that yardage shouldn't be the benchmark of a defense but points should be. We did well in that area ... again.

I really don't blame the offense or the defense for our less than stellar year. I do think we were done in by the lack of cohesion of the offensive line due to injuries. I was excited by the prospect of our starting line at the beginning of the year and that projected starting line never played one game together. I really believe that was our downfall.

[Sugar]

This defense is overrated. I would gladly take a 15th "ranked" defense if they forced more turnovers.

I wouldn't. In my philosophy, the D's first job is to keep the other team from scoring. Second, is to keep the team in good field position. Third, get turnovers but only as a happy byproduct of doing the first two.

[Crash]

Who said that? You got slow while you were away. I said I was happy with the defense but would like more pressure-sacks. That would generate more TOs. I put it on the offense and BB. Not converting 3rd downs and redzone scoring. I can't believe in those must win games DL keyed BB helmet and told him Brandon Carr and Reggie Nelson were open. You are right...It is DL fault.

The defense down the stretch gave the Steelers every opportunity to win games.

Um, Ben was the BEST 3rd down passer in football prior to his injury.

Defense still blew four 4th quarter leads in 9 games.

Now what?

You are right, the Dallas game was a "must win".

And Tony freaking Romo shredded our "#1 ranked" defense.

[Crash]

I wouldn't. In my philosophy, the D's first job is to keep the other team from scoring

So when the offense holds the ball and scores after the defense gives up a lead, the defense gets credit for not giving up more points?

The Steelers were 20th in starting field position in 2012, last season they were 30th.

The Steelers were among the worst teams in the league in forcing turnovers.

Care to re-think that?