Mike Wallace out vs the Browns

[Chadman]

There have been many #1 WRs with far less speed than Brown and Sanders. They have plenty of speed to open up the field with or without Wally.

All 3 of these guys get a bit of a bad rap in all of this. Wally held out and we hold that against him. Brown got his contract and we hold that against him. And Sanders hasn't outproduced either and we hold that against him. It's an impossible standard.

In retrospect, WRs are a dime a dozen. Too bad we didn't give Brown's money to Keenan Lewis? And I think we might be better served giving Wally and/or Manny's money to Cortez eventually.

At the end of the day, Ben can make due with Cotch, Plax, and Paulson to start next season and we can probably outproduce this year's scoring.

you could very well be right.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

But there's the thing- now the Steelers need to use a high draft pick to replace him. If they lost Brown, a guy on the roster could do what he does.

Which other position do we not draft in order to now replace Wallace?

For the record, Chadman prefers Da'Rick Rogers out of Tenn.

rogers had to leave Tenn and transfer to TN tech, chadman.

while I like his skillset, he has a lot of character concerns. Had several issues at Tennessee before they finally cut him loose.

[Chadman]

rogers had to leave Tenn and transfer to TN tech, chadman.

while I like his skillset, he has a lot of character concerns. Had several issues at Tennessee before they finally cut him loose.

Well, there's my Australianism kicking in....

[Eddie Spaghetti]

I actually think he may wind up being more productive than the other TN receivers hunter and patterson, if he can get his head on straight.

[SS Laser]

Only superbowl with Wallace we lost. Superbowl before that we won with a 1st rd WR. I like Wallace. I liked Santonio. I liked Burress. All have/will be replaced just fine.

[supersteeler]

I'm not going to burn any bread on Mike Wallace because he wasn't alone in the underachieving department. The only two players on offense that were consistent were Heath Miller and Max Starks.
The Steelers have cap issues, and we're going to see some familiar faces either play for another team or take a salary adjustment. We can't keep everyone anyway so those of you who think we'll be better off without Mike and Mendy you'll get your wish most likely.

Mike usually gets double coverage, so that tells me other receivers should have better numbers but they don't. If the Steelers could do it, I would try and sign both of them but it appears that won't happen. So whats the alternative? If Mike leaves I'm not so sure our receivers will be as good, they all had a down year but Mike was the only one seeing double coverage in most instances.

If we want to get better offensively it starts on that line. If you have a real good O-line everything falls into place, the run game improves, the pass blocking improves and the QB is better suited to make plays. IMHO if we want to see this offense get better we need a great offensive line first and foremost before we draft another receiver.

[steelz09]

I'm not going to burn any bread on Mike Wallace because he wasn't alone in the underachieving department. The only two players on offense that were consistent were Heath Miller and Max Starks.
The Steelers have cap issues, and we're going to see some familiar faces either play for another team or take a salary adjustment. We can't keep everyone anyway so those of you who think we'll be better off without Mike and Mendy you'll get your wish most likely.

Mike usually gets double coverage, so that tells me other receivers should have better numbers but they don't. If the Steelers could do it, I would try and sign both of them but it appears that won't happen. So whats the alternative? If Mike leaves I'm not so sure our receivers will be as good, they all had a down year but Mike was the only one seeing double coverage in most instances.

If we want to get better offensively it starts on that line. If you have a real good O-line everything falls into place, the run game improves, the pass blocking improves and the QB is better suited to make plays. IMHO if we want to see this offense get better we need a great offensive line first and foremost before we draft another receiver.

The Steelers will never have a "real good O-line" as long as Ben is the QB. Actually, let me alter that statement... The Steelers will never have a "real good passing blocking O-line" as long as Ben is the QB. Do I want Ben as our QB? Yes. With that being said, Ben doesn't know how to be a conventional QB and he'll never learn to be one. Need evidence? How many times will Ben take unnecessary sacks that knock us out of field goal range? He's been in the league to long to not understand field position and how critical 10 extra yards can be especially when 3 points are at stake.

[supersteeler]

When we were 6-3 the O-line was pass blocking pretty well, Ben was having one of his best years, the receivers were getting open, and we were dominating time of possession. Also, we were one of the top teams in converting 3rd downs.....then the injuries.
Then receivers wern't getting open or dropped passes, holding penalties that killed drives. combine that with dumb block N the back penalties on good returns hurt us.

When a component of the offense breaks down, the entire offense breaks down and thats what we witnessed this season. I still believe the injuries were the main reason we faultered, how do you get any continuity when you have a different guy next to you on the field continuously?

[steelz09]

When we were 6-3 the O-line was pass blocking pretty well, Ben was having one of his best years, the receivers were getting open, and we were dominating time of possession. Also, we were one of the top teams in converting 3rd downs.....then the injuries.
Then receivers wern't getting open or dropped passes, holding penalties that killed drives. combine that with dumb block N the back penalties on good returns hurt us.

When a component of the offense breaks down, the entire offense breaks down and thats what we witnessed this season. I still believe the injuries were the main reason we faultered, how do you get any continuity when you have a different guy next to you on the field continuously?

Maybe we should ask the Ravens. They were crushed by injuries worse than us and they still won the division.

Fumbles by Mendenhall, Wallace, Brown, Sanders = STARTERS

Game losing INT's by Ben = STARTER

Our starters lost us the majority of the games this season. Not the backups.

[Ben is awesome]

Never seen so many people so keen to throw away productive players- get rid of Wallace, get rid of Mendenhall, get rid of Foote, get rid of Woodley.

He 2nd guy in line is not always better than the guy on top of the pile.

Couldn't have said it better

[supersteeler]

Hey South of Pittsburgh, I live north of Pittsburgh and I'm with you on your post. Wallace had a bad season compared to his previous ones but he still is our best receiver. Same with Mendy, he is our best back that was set back with injuries and Tomlins dog house.
Foote was one of the productive players, why would you let a player like him leave? Has Spense proven anything?
As for Max Starks they better sign him or Ben will be on a stretcher before the bye.
I'm not willing to trust Gilbert at LT until he can prove his ability to play the position. Starks is a proven vet and played well the last few years, he's still young enough to play another 4 years so I hope we keep him.

The reality is we have cap issues and someone has to go. Letting Max go will be a step backwards on offense but the Steelers are in charge not me so I hope they make the right decisions.

[Flasteel]

Never seen so many people so keen to throw away productive players- get rid of Wallace, get rid of Mendenhall, get rid of Foote, get rid of Woodley.

He 2nd guy in line is not always better than the guy on top of the pile.

Truth. Amazing the amount of lasting vitriol that can be created by a hold-out.

I see this as an opportunity to sign players like Wallace and Mendenhall to reasonable salaries, if the market they are looking for isn't there. Those guys had down years, but still bring quality skill sets to the table which fill niches within this offense.

I'd welcome Wallace and Mendenhall back...if the price is right.

Those who advocate cutting Woodley or Foote are simply retarded.

[NorthCoast]

Other WRs may have less talent than MW, but do give better effort. I NEVER find it acceptable for any player to not give his best effort; it ruins team chemistry regardless of talent level. Look at TO and Moss as examples. Moss has been a model citizen in SF but he was a dark cloud in MN (2nd time around), TN, Oak. Wallace can take his non-trying ways to some other team. He is easily replaceable because he doesn't bother to give full effort.

This from a guy that wants the Steelers to mail in the last game....

[lloydroid]

This from a guy that wants the Steelers to mail in the last game....

Straw man argument much? Please find where I said for them to lose on purpose. Not once did I ever assert such a thing; I merely listed the benefits of a loss; I never said for the players to not try. Get the difference? Are you able to grasp how each concept is a separate concept? Can you differentiate how each assertion differs from each other?

[fordfixer]

.Yesterday, 12:24 PM #16 lloydroid


Yea screw pride. That was supposed to mean something when the games meant something. They were an embarrassment this year, so lose, and lose in disgrace, so some REAL changes will go down.

Sound familiar?