One big Steelers blunder: Kraig Urbik

[Oviedo]

urbik would be no better than a back up here. He couldn't beat out foster then and he couldn't beat out foster now.

I would take him over legursky in a heartbeat though.

On this we can get back to our normal disagreement. Urbik still being here would be a starter. Neither Colon or Foster are world beaters at Guard. They are average starters and nothing more.

[Oviedo]

Dwyer made this OL look good for a few games, and then I don't know what happened after that.

I know what happened. Colon got hurt and we now have a rookie Guard playing RT after Adams got hurt.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

On this we can get back to our normal disagreement. Urbik still being here would be a starter. Neither Colon or Foster are world beaters at Guard. They are average starters and nothing more.

yeah, we will never agree on this. Your speculation that urbik would be a starter here just doesn't hold up. In the few times that I watch the bills, I pay attention to urbik and he is consistently average in every respect. I dont believe he would be anything better here and I base that off of the coaches decision to cut him loose. They are the ones who actually saw him in practice everyday and decided they had better options at that time.

[BigRob]

urbik would be no better than a back up here. He couldn't beat out foster then and he couldn't beat out foster now.

I would take him over legursky in a heartbeat though.

Tough to say. He' at least as good as Foster now. I know it would sure be nice to have him for depth.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

why do you believe he is as good as foster?

I don't watch him play a lot, just here and there.

to me foster looks like the better player.

[BigRob]

why do you believe he is as good as foster?

I don't watch him play a lot, just here and there.

to me foster looks like the better player.

We will find out what teams think. Either the Steelers will sign Foster to an extention or another team will sign him. We'll see what he gets compared to Urbik's extension.

All I know is a line-up of Starks, Urbik, Pouncey, Foster, Beachum while Decastro was out is superior to Legursky playing and moving Pouncey to guard.

Urbik is a nice run blocker.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

oh I agree on that, legursky stinks. Urbik is much better than he is for sure.

it will be interesting for sure to see what foster gets on the open market. I do know the steelers have had a bargain this far in regards to his pay/play ratio. His pass pro this year has been outstanding as referenced by the rankings at the depot.

[BigRob]

oh I agree on that, legursky stinks. Urbik is much better than he is for sure.

it will be interesting for sure to see what foster gets on the open market. I do know the steelers have had a bargain this far in regards to his pay/play ratio. His pass pro this year has been outstanding as referenced by the rankings at the depot.

Bah, Profootball Focus doesn't rank anyone on our O-line anything more than average.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Bah, I'm just telling you what the guys over there report after watching the all 22.

please post the PFF rankings. I would be interested in seeing them.

[BigRob]

Bah, I'm just telling you what the guys over there report after watching the all 22.

please post the PFF rankings. I would be interested in seeing them.

Honestly, I find Steelers Depot to be very amateurish.

I will see if I can get a hold of the PFF rankings. I know they have Starks at the 39th best Tackle out of all starting Tackles.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

huh.

I disagree.

[Slapstick]

Average per attempt means ****. Thats a QB thing, not how the offense is designed. Bills offense is a mid to deep passing offense. Fitzpatrick is just ****. Can't even compare them.

Steelers are a short to intermediate passing team.

And again I'll ask you: The Offensive line has nothing to do with their running success? It's all Jackson/Spiller.

That's just laughable.

What do you mean I can't compare them? If the Bills were a mid-to-deep passing offense, Fitzpatrick's YpA would be higher. The guy completes 62% of his passes. You can't say a point doesn't mean **** just because you don't agree.

I never said that the offensive line has nothing to so with their rushing success. You said that, not me. I just think that their rushing success has more to do with Spiller and Jackson than with Urbik.

[Slapstick]

Look, I don't think Urbik is a bad player. He's just not the savior of the Bills' running game. He's not the second coming of Faneca or Wisniewski.

In Pittsburgh, he had to either nail down a starting job or have position flexibility. He went 0 for 2. It's fine that he was able to find a fit with another team. It doesn't necessarily mean that he belonged here.

[BigRob]

What do you mean I can't compare them? If the Bills were a mid-to-deep passing offense, Fitzpatrick's YpA would be higher. The guy completes 62% of his passes. You can't say a point doesn't mean **** just because you don't agree.

I never said that the offensive line has nothing to so with their rushing success. You said that, not me. I just think that their rushing success has more to do with Spiller and Jackson than with Urbik.

Just because their offense is designed for intermediate and long throws, doesn't mean Fitzpatrick can or will take advantage of it. All you have to do is look at Chan Gailey's system. Easy to see.

Secondly, not hard to see the Steelers blundered and let a good/decent guard go after one year for no reason. Who did they keep that was better?

Urbik gets some credit for starting on that line. Whether you want to admit it or not, they get credit for the great rushing stats as much as the running back.

[RuthlessBurgher]

In the 3rd round of the 2009, we drafted Mike Wallace and Keenan Lewis after Kraig Urbik.