Significant statistics of notable NFL QBs through six weeks

[Slapstick]

I have no idea what stopplayn is posting, but just thinking about the possibilities makes me laugh...

[stopplayn]

You guys watch how Slapstick follows me around from thread to thread. But he has my on ignore. YEAH RIGHT........... LOL

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Stat says Luck is the best quarterback in the NFL. You guys DO realise who Lucks OC is dont you? This link could be one of the biggest indictments against Ben Roethlisberger

How is this an indictment against Ben? It is one stat that shows Ben's OC - who won 2 SB trophies with him - is also succeeding elsewhere. Are you trying to somehow claim that Ben was a failure until this year?

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Football statistics are incredibly subjective. Stats don't take into account the following:

Division - Each team plays 37.5% of their games against the three teams in their division. Each team also only plays against 13 of 31 teams, so schedule is a factor as well, but that tends to somewhat even out over the course of a career.
Location - Come November, you have factors such as rain, snow, cold, and wind to deal with up north. Dome teams and warm weather teams do not face the same elements which are more conducive to putting up numbers.
Your D - Does your D get you back on the field quickly allowing you to run more plays? A shorter field? Turnovers? Momentum?
O line - Is there an NFL QB in history who would have failed in the position that Troy Aikman was in? How about anyone who could succeed in the position that David Carr was drafted into? Most others are in a situation in between.
Your other skill players - What does a good RB do for a QB? How about a great WR? Daunte Culpepper was a stud when all he had to do was drop back and throw the ball up in the air anywhere in the direction of Randy Moss. Then there is always the TE safety valve that can really help sustain a drive on third down.

Cohesion between every player, every unit, every aspect is more pronounced in football than any other sport. Therefore, using numbers as a definitive evaluator is completely flawed. JMO.

[stopplayn]

How is this an indictment against Ben? It is one stat that shows Ben's OC - who won 2 SB trophies with him - is also succeeding elsewhere. Are you trying to somehow claim that Ben was a failure until this year?

Ben has won 2 SB's and played in 3. He is NO failure. However, he is inconsistent and EVERYONE in Steeler Nation said it was because of Bruce Arians. I for years defended Arians and said the problem was Ben and not Arians. I find it quite gratifying to see that Bruce is showing that HE was not the problem as he has left and had continued success.

On the other hand we STILL have a sack issue, a lack of scoring issue and when we get in the redzone we have to settle for FGs. Thats is not happening in Indy

[stopplayn]

Football statistics are incredibly subjective. Stats don't take into account the following:

Division - Each team plays 37.5% of their games against the three teams in their division. Each team also only plays against 13 of 31 teams, so schedule is a factor as well, but that tends to somewhat even out over the course of a career.
Location - Come November, you have factors such as rain, snow, cold, and wind to deal with up north. Dome teams and warm weather teams do not face the same elements which are more conducive to putting up numbers.
Your D - Does your D get you back on the field quickly allowing you to run more plays? A shorter field? Turnovers? Momentum?
O line - Is there an NFL QB in history who would have failed in the position that Troy Aikman was in? How about anyone who could succeed in the position that David Carr was drafted into? Most others are in a situation in between.
Your other skill players - What does a good RB do for a QB? How about a great WR? Daunte Culpepper was a stud when all he had to do was drop back and throw the ball up in the air anywhere in the direction of Randy Moss. Then there is always the TE safety valve that can really help sustain a drive on third down.

Cohesion between every player, every unit, every aspect is more pronounced in football than any other sport. Therefore, using numbers as a definitive evaluator is completely flawed. JMO.

Good post!!

[RuthlessBurgher]

Ben has won 2 SB's and played in 3. He is NO failure. However, he is inconsistent and EVERYONE in Steeler Nation said it was because of Bruce Arians. I for years defended Arians and said the problem was Ben and not Arians. I find it quite gratifying to see that Bruce is showing that HE was not the problem as he has left and had continued success.

On the other hand we STILL have a sack issue, a lack of scoring issue and when we get in the redzone we have to settle for FGs. Thats is not happening in Indy

Maybe it's just me, but it looks like Ben has more TD passes than Luck (10 vs. 7), fewer INT's than Luck (2 vs. 7), fewer sacks than Luck (10 vs. 13), a better completion percentage than Luck (64.6 vs. 53.4), more yards per pass than Luck (7.5 vs. 6.7), and a better passer rating than Luck (99.9 vs. 72.0).

[stopplayn]

Luck was rated the #1 qb AS A ROOKIE according to this article. Ben has a losing record while not playing a GOOD TEAM yet. Ben has a better team than Luck/Arians. Ben is a 9 year vet. Did I mention that Ben has a losing record and the only defenses he has played elite against are BAD defenses. Our next 8 out of 10 games will prove how much Ben has improved. I dont get all tingley over stats after 5 games vs inferrior talent. HE IS SUPPOSED to have good numbers vs bad teams. He has his whole career. However, vs elite teams he has horrible stats and thats why he is 10-4 in the playoff with 21 TDs and 18 INTs. Is that elite?

[Flasteel]

. I dont get all tingley over stats after 5 games vs inferrior talent. HE IS SUPPOSED to have good numbers vs bad teams. He has his whole career. However, vs elite teams he has horrible stats and thats why he is 10-4 in the playoff with 21 TDs and 18 INTs. Is that elite?

1	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady"]Tom Brady[/URL]	22	16	6	.727	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-0"][1][/URL]
2	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana"]Joe Montana[/URL]	23	16	7	.696	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-1"][2][/URL]
3	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Bradshaw"]Terry Bradshaw[/URL]	19	14	5	.737	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-2"][3][/URL]
4	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway"]John Elway[/URL]	21	14	7	.667	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-3"][4][/URL]
5	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Brett_Favre"]Brett Farve[/URL]	24	13	11	.542	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-4"][5][/URL]
6	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Aikman"]Troy Aikman[/URL]	15	11	4	.733	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-5"][6][/URL]
7	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach"]Roger Staubach[/URL]	17	11	6	.647
8	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Roethlisberger"]Ben Roethlisberger[/URL]	14	10	4	.714	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-6"][7][/URL]
9	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Starr"]Bart Starr[/URL]	10	9	1	.900	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-7"][8][/URL]
10	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Warner"]Kurt Warner[/URL]	13	9	4	.692
11	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donovan_McNabb"]Donovan McNabb[/URL]	16	9	7	.563
12	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kelly"]Jim Kelly[/URL]	17	9	8	.529
13	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning"]Peyton Manning[/URL]	19	9	10	.474	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-8"][9][/URL]
14	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Plunkett"]Jim Plunkett[/URL]	10	8	2	.800	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-9"][10][/URL]
15	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Manning"]Eli Manning[/URL]	11	8	3	.727	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-10"][11][/URL]
16	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Young_(American_football)"]Steve Young[/URL]	14	8	6	.571	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-11"][12][/URL]
17	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino"]Dan Marino[/URL]	18	8	10	.444	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-12"][13][/URL]
18	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Stabler"]Ken Stabler[/URL]	12	7	5	.583
19 T	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Theisman"]Joe Theisman[/URL]	8	6	2	.750	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-13"][14][/URL]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Unitas"]Johnny Unitas[/URL]	8	6	2	.750
21	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Simms"]Phil Simms[/URL]	10	6	4	.600
22 T	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Griese"]Bob Griese[/URL]	11	6	5	.546	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-14"][15][/URL]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Tarkenton"]Fran Tarkenton[/URL]	11	6	5	.546
24 T	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Luckman"]Sid Luckman[/URL]*	6	5	1	.833	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-15"][16][/URL]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Dilfer"]Trent Dilfer[/URL]	6	5	1	.833	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-16"][17][/URL]
26	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rypien"]Mark Rypien[/URL]	7	5	2	.714	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-17"][18][/URL]
27 T	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Delhomme"]Jake Delhomme[/URL]	8	5	3	.625
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson"]Len Dawson[/URL]	8	5	3	.625
29 T	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees"]Drew Brees[/URL]	9	5	4	.556	[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_starting_quarterback_playoff_records#cite_note-18"][19][/URL]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Flacco"]Joe Flacco[/URL]	9	5	4	.556

[NJ-STEELER]

When Ben starts playing elite consistently vs TOP DEFENSES then I will be his loudest fan. So far in 9 years he has not. Not many Quarterbacks have the luxury of posting a 24 qb rating and winning a SB. Or Posting a 33 rating and winning a game to go to one (Jets). Nor do many quarterbacks have the luxury of commiting 24 turnovers and winning a SB (0. Lastly, not many have the luxury of being 10-4 in the playoffs with 21 TDs and 18 INTs.

not many teams have the luxury of a 2nd year QB posting over a 100 QB rating in 3 consecutive road playoffs games just to get to the superbowl either

[Sugar]

not many teams have the luxury of a 2nd year QB posting over a 100 QB rating in 3 consecutive road playoffs games just to get to the superbowl either

You mean, in order to win the Super Bowl you have to get there first? What a concept!!!