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  • steelz09
    Administrator
    • Jan 2008
    • 4675

    #46
    Originally posted by SteelCrazy
    Just because Cowher didnt play Harrison doent mean he didnt develope him. He had the brains to pick him back up after cutting him. Clark Haggans is still in the league playing and starting for the 49ers, facing a suspension and is 35 years old. He is a good player, especially was when he was a Steeler.
    I remember watching Harrison fill-in for Haggans and thinking to myself, this could could be an impact player in the future. The same goes for him on special teams. He was a beast on ST and you knew he had serious potential in a fulltime role. It took time ( a lot of it ) for him to get to that point but you KNEW when he was at the verge. That was before Tomlin even showed up.
    Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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    • RuthlessBurgher
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 33208

      #47
      Originally posted by SteelCrazy
      It's wrong though.....
      Would you rather be right or sessssy?

      I'm sessssy and I know it...

      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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      • flippy
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #48
        It's really easy. Draft guys like Harrison, Troy, and Hampton at each position on D and have them dominate and stay healthy.
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        • Slapstick
          Rookie
          • May 2008
          • 0

          #49
          Originally posted by SteelCrazy
          Just because Cowher didnt play Harrison doent mean he didnt develope him.
          That almost makes it worse...
          Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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          • Steelerphile
            Pro Bowler
            • Dec 2008
            • 1198

            #50
            Originally posted by steelz09
            Harrison was already developed by the time Tomlin showed up. All Tomlin did was send Joey packing to Miami and move Harrison into the starting lineup. That's tough ... especially when it was obvious Harrison was ready for a starting job. Tomlin was no way, shape or form responsible for the development of Harrison.

            And Tomlin shouldn't have let Joey walk. He should have kept Joey and Harrison.

            The time is coming to an end where Tomlin can piggy back on Cowher's defensive players... and boy is it showing.

            Boy is it showing! You want Tomlin to fail so bad. Some people have been hoping for this from the day he was hired. But 6 years later and with the best coaching resume during that period, he is still sailing along quite well. So give it some time. I know the No. 1 ranked defense is meaningless to you. The winning records the playoff appearances, but let it play out some. The season is still young. The injuries have taken quite a toll, but they could still put something together. One game and you want to surrender.

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            • stopplayn
              Backup
              • Sep 2012
              • 423

              #51
              Originally posted by steelz09
              I'll include Lebeau in my criticism if it makes you feel better
              There is hypocrisy in your agenda. You dont like Tomlin. So just say that. Dont make yourself look obvious when you give Cowher the Credit when Tomlin wins but Give Tomlin the blame when we lose. How does that work? Cowher/Lebeau get credit when we win so why exactly dont they deserve blame when we lose?

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              • Oviedo
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 23824

                #52
                Originally posted by stopplayn
                There is hypocrisy in your agenda. You dont like Tomlin. So just say that. Dont make yourself look obvious when you give Cowher the Credit when Tomlin wins but Give Tomlin the blame when we lose. How does that work? Cowher/Lebeau get credit when we win so why exactly dont they deserve blame when we lose?
                You are still new to the board. You will find out that if the defense falters it is the fault of "Tomlin's draft picks" but never the "Teflon Coach" LeBeau being out of touch or not developing players. On defense it is always some one else's fault

                Strange that when we went to Cowher's first Super Bowl no one ever attributes that to Noll's players, who were developed by Noll and drafted by Noll. The reality is there is still a strong anti-Tomlin sentiment below the surface on this board for you can guess what reasons. As soon as the team has a couple bad seasons it will be out in full force but Tmlin has frustrated his critics by giving them little to complain about. Therefore they use the BS argument of Cowher's guys not his as the issue to criticize him with.
                "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                • SteelCrazy
                  Legend
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 5049

                  #53
                  Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                  Would you rather be right or sessssy?

                  I'm sessssy and I know it...

                  Now you're right!
                  2019 Mock

                  1. ILB
                  2. CB
                  3. ILB
                  4. S
                  5. CB
                  6. ILB
                  7. S

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                  • jj28west
                    Starter
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 784

                    #54
                    Sad but so true

                    Originally posted by RKSteel
                    Godell wants touchdown passers. He does not want JH pile driving QBs into the ground. If he wasn't held on every freaking play, he'd have 50 sacks.

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                    • stopplayn
                      Backup
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 423

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      You are still new to the board. You will find out that if the defense falters it is the fault of "Tomlin's draft picks" but never the "Teflon Coach" LeBeau being out of touch or not developing players. On defense it is always some one else's fault

                      Strange that when we went to Cowher's first Super Bowl no one ever attributes that to Noll's players, who were developed by Noll and drafted by Noll. The reality is there is still a strong anti-Tomlin sentiment below the surface on this board for you can guess what reasons. As soon as the team has a couple bad seasons it will be out in full force but Tmlin has frustrated his critics by giving them little to complain about. Therefore they use the BS argument of Cowher's guys not his as the issue to criticize him with.
                      A great post. Thank you for the education

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                      • Slapstick
                        Rookie
                        • May 2008
                        • 0

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Oviedo
                        Strange that when we went to Cowher's first Super Bowl no one ever attributes that to Noll's players, who were developed by Noll and drafted by Noll.
                        Also strange that no one ever attributes the Steelers' SB appearances since the 70s to the one common thread in all of them (including XXX)...Coach Dick LeBeau coordinating the defense...
                        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                        • steelfin
                          Backup
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 455

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Slapstick
                          Also strange that no one ever attributes the Steelers' SB appearances since the 70s to the one common thread in all of them (including XXX)...Coach Dick LeBeau coordinating the defense...
                          ....I wonder why that is????

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                          • steelz09
                            Administrator
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 4675

                            #58
                            Originally posted by stopplayn
                            There is hypocrisy in your agenda. You dont like Tomlin. So just say that. Dont make yourself look obvious when you give Cowher the Credit when Tomlin wins but Give Tomlin the blame when we lose. How does that work? Cowher/Lebeau get credit when we win so why exactly dont they deserve blame when we lose?
                            Exactly what Agenda are you talking about? I simply listed our current starters on this defense and outlined which coaching era they were drafted from or developed from. It's a simple fact. I'm calling it as I see it without the Steelers goggles on.

                            By the contrary, Tomlin has been superior with drafting and developing offensive talent IMO. It's like we did a 180 on drafting. Yes, it could have to do with the rule changes but that's not the only reason....I'm also not saying that Lebeau isn't the problem. The reality is that Tomlin is the HC. So, if he isn't satisfied with Lebeau's development of young talent then he needs to resolve the issue. Or, he could ask Rooney to let Lebeau walk like he did with Arians.
                            Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                            • Captain Lemming
                              Legend
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 16041

                              #59
                              Originally posted by steelz09
                              Exactly what Agenda are you talking about? I simply listed our current starters on this defense and outlined which coaching era they were drafted from or developed from. It's a simple fact. I'm calling it as I see it without the Steelers goggles on.

                              By the contrary, Tomlin has been superior with drafting and developing offensive talent IMO. It's like we did a 180 on drafting. Yes, it could have to do with the rule changes but that's not the only reason....I'm also not saying that Lebeau isn't the problem. The reality is that Tomlin is the HC. So, if he isn't satisfied with Lebeau's development of young talent then he needs to resolve the issue. Or, he could ask Rooney to let Lebeau walk like he did with Arians.
                              I find one difference in the D players drafted by BC versus Tomlin is that Tomlin spends high picks on DEs, something BC never did.
                              I like both coaches but it s my opinion that the nature of our defense does not require high draft picks at that position.
                              I wonder whether Tomlins background as a 4-3 guy plays into that tenancy.

                              I find it funny that people blame the loss of Aaron Smith for any defensive struggles. How about the aging and loss of our best tackler of the decade (Farrior), injuries and loss of the best tackling OLB in the league (Harrison), the loss of our top tackler of last season in BOTH Denver losses (Clark). Look at the difference made with just "ONE" of that trio back.

                              Those criticizing Tomlin need to remember BC had Harrison one the bench for YEARS while Clark HAGGINS was starting at one OLB position. YIKES!
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                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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