OT - Pitt to ACC Official

[Prowler]

I'm not being dishonest... you are arguing about something totally different and using past success in 1 or 2 games a year vs BCS teams as proof they will run the table in the BE.

All I'm suggesting is playing Rutgers, UCONN, Louisville, UCF, Houston and USF is tougher than playing a Michigan State then following it up with Miami OH, BYU, Fresno, SDSU, Hawaii and Nevada. Nevada is the only team that consistently plays BCS schools like Mizzou, Texas Tech, Notre Dame, Auburn, etc... and they put up over 100 points in 2 games vs Boise recently.

Boise is going to play 6 or 7 Nevada's every year in the BE... if you think they will be just as successful it's your opinion. I'm skeptical, I don't think they can keep it up for a whole season. They have a new QB in Boise... they have 5 starters returning on offense and 1 on D. If you think Boise will run the table in the BE think again... I seriously doubt it and it's the reason they are moving to the BE. Even if they lose a few games they can get the auto bid... that wasn't happening in the SWAC? because the competition wasn't up to par.

Wrong. You used the argument that Boise had an advantage when they beat the BCS conference teams because they had all summer to prepare. You failed to mention that the BCS teams had an equal amount of time as Boise to prepare, which makes your argument invalid. At least be honest and admit that much please?

By the way Nevada never put up 100 points against Boise like you have claimed the last two seasons, only 44 points . Don't lie!!

[Ghost]

I'm not really sure why there is outrage b/c people aren't that impressed with Boise St due to their schedule. It's a common, pervasive thought across the nation.

They've certainly had some great wins but their overall schedule has been a joke the last three (at least) years.

2009 – Miami (Oh), Fresno St, Bowling Green, UC Davis, Hawaii, San Jose St, New Mexico St
2010 – Wyoming, New Mexico St, Idaho, San Jose St, Hawaii,
2011 – Toledo, fresno St, Colorado St, UNLV, San Diego St, Wyoming New Mexico


In contrast:

PSU:
Alabama, Iowa, Purdue, Nebraska, Ohio St, Wisconsin

LSU:
Oregon, Miss St, West VA, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas

[Prowler]

I'm not really sure why there is outrage b/c people aren't that impressed with Boise St due to their schedule. It's a common, pervasive thought across the nation.

They've certainly had some great wins but their overall schedule has been a joke the last three (at least) years.

2009 – Miami (Oh), Fresno St, Bowling Green, UC Davis, Hawaii, San Jose St, New Mexico St
2010 – Wyoming, New Mexico St, Idaho, San Jose St, Hawaii,
2011 – Toledo, fresno St, Colorado St, UNLV, San Diego St, Wyoming New Mexico


In contrast:

PSU:
Alabama, Iowa, Purdue, Nebraska, Ohio St, Wisconsin

LSU:
Oregon, Miss St, West VA, Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas

If you're going to post the past seasons schedules just don't post Boise's easy games and none of the hard games they play. Likewise just don't post the hard games for PSU and LSU without posting the easy games they played like the ones against the powerhouses of Indiana St, Eastern Michigan, Indiana, Georgia Southern, Kent State, North Texas and Western Kentucky!! You guys are being pathetic and slightly dishonest by not doing so as we all know that LSU and PSU played tougher schedules than Boise. That's not in dispute. You make it seem like Boise ducks the competition and nothing could be further from the truth. BSU can't help it that most BCS teams don't want to play them.

[feltdizz]

Wrong. You used the argument that Boise had an advantage when they beat the BCS conference teams because they had all summer to prepare. You failed to mention that the BCS teams had an equal amount of time as Boise to prepare, which makes your argument invalid. At least be honest and admit that much please?

By the way Nevada never put up 100 points against Boise like you have claimed the last two seasons, only 44 points . Don't lie!!

I said recently... not the last 2 years... 2007 and 2008, look it up. They also lost to Nevada last year after being up 20-0 at the half.

I never said Boise had an advantage over the other schools when it comes to playing them. I said having all summer to prepare for a BCS school or a month for a bowl game isn't the same as playing BCS schools week after week or 6 to 7 times in one year.

You are trying to use the 6-0 BCS record as proof Boise will be legit in the Big East and it's not the same thing. I think they will be good but they aren't running through the Big East like they run through the WAC. No one is saying LSU and PSU don't play a few cupcakes but they also play a grueling Big10 schedule.

[Prowler]

I said recently... not the last 2 years... 2007 and 2008, look it up. They also lost to Nevada last year after being up 20-0 at the half.

I never said Boise had an advantage over the other schools when it comes to playing them. I said having all summer to prepare for a BCS school or a month for a bowl game isn't the same as playing BCS schools week after week or 6 to 7 times in one year.

You are trying to use the 6-0 BCS record as proof Boise will be legit in the Big East and it's not the same thing. I think they will be good but they aren't running through the Big East like they run through the WAC. No one is saying LSU and PSU don't play a few cupcakes but they also play a grueling Big10 schedule.

So you ignore the last 3 seasons of results against Nevada because it does not fit your agenda? You once again border on dishonesty by stating that Nevada put up 100 points on Boise as you fail to mention that 23 of those came into the 4th overtime of the 2007 games. Someone not knowing this would assume Boise's defense sucked and that they lost those games, however Boise won both those games.

The only 2 losses they had the last two seasons was a result of Boise's kicker missing easy chip shot field goals. If it were not for their one weakness in the kicking game, you probably would have seen Boise in the national championship game last season.

Nevertheless, we'll just have to agree to disagree on Boise. I for one am looking forward to seeing how they do in the future and especially this season with only having 7 starters returning and a new QB opening against Michigan State. All the best feltdizz and have a great weekend!!

[feltdizz]

We will agree to.disagree... I'm not ignoring the last 3 years vs Nevada, they have been a thorn in Boise's side IMO and I think most teams in the Big East are better than Nevada...

I've been a Boise fan since they beat OU in amazing fashion but I'm not.ready to crown them BE champs based on their success vs BCS teams... a full season vs better opponents will tell us a lot about the future of the BE conference and Boise's standing in the BCS hunt. I just wish they weren't screwed over by the BCS few years, playing TCU instead of new foe the other year was a travesty.

have a good one.

[NJ-STEELER]

i think they might take a bit of a hit in BB and football the first few years in the ACC but are better off in that conference in the long run

[Ghost]

If you're going to post the past seasons schedules just don't post Boise's easy games and none of the hard games they play. Likewise just don't post the hard games for PSU and LSU without posting the easy games they played like the ones against the powerhouses of Indiana St, Eastern Michigan, Indiana, Georgia Southern, Kent State, North Texas and Western Kentucky!! You guys are being pathetic and slightly dishonest by not doing so as we all know that LSU and PSU played tougher schedules than Boise. That's not in dispute. You make it seem like Boise ducks the competition and nothing could be further from the truth. BSU can't help it that most BCS teams don't want to play them.

No one is being dishonest at all. Their schedule is a DAMN joke. Every year they play at least 6 if not 7 total cupcakes. And no one has said PSU/LSU only plays tough games but their schedules overall are infinitely harder each and every season. And no one has said they duck the competition just that they don't consistently play at the same level. What's so hard to understand?

Put BS in the SEC and they are a muti game loser every season. And this is a common belief.

[Pops8]

ACC expansion is about TV markets, not competition.

[Prowler]

No one is being dishonest at all. Their schedule is a DAMN joke. Every year they play at least 6 if not 7 total cupcakes. And no one has said PSU/LSU only plays tough games but their schedules overall are infinitely harder each and every season. And no one has said they duck the competition just that they don't consistently play at the same level. What's so hard to understand?

Put BS in the SEC and they are a muti game loser every season. And this is a common belief.

You implied that Boise played only easy teams and PSU and LSU only hard teams, otherwise you would have posted all of the easy games that PSU/LSU played and not just the difficult ones and you would have posted the difficult opponents for Boise and not just the cupcake teams. What is so hard to understand about that?

And before we go any further your Pitt Panthers are taking a step down in competition ducking the more difficult competition of the Big East. The fact remains the ACC is 2-13 in BCS bowl games the BE is 7-7. The ACC champion gave up 70 points to the Big East champion last season.