What's The Problem With Rushing the Football?

[BURGH86STEEL]

One half of the Patriots game doesn't give Arians a free pass for years of Heath being under utilized. Those dink and dunk passes to Heath would work every single game. And don't give me the excuse that Heath needs to stay in and block because the o-line sucked. The dink and dunk passes would have mitigated teams from sending the house on inside blitzes. Instead, Arians would have Heath Miller in a max protect type scheme and sending his WRs 20+ yards down field when everyone watching the game would know Ben would be sacked.

Why split time w/ Redman? Are you serious? How about that he's a far superior inside runner. He has better overall vision on inside runs which is needed when you don't have gaping holes. How about splitting time to keep your primary RB fresh?

Can you tell me how many times Heath was the primary target in the offense? If you can answer that question you will have a better idea how often he was being utilized as a pass catching threat. Heaths not the type of TE that will catch a lot of footballs. He's not as explosive as WR type TE's. I believe you are mistaken if you believe dink and dunk to Heath would work every game.

Redman had approx. 28% of the carries last season. Mendenhall had approx. 57% of the carries. That was almost 50% of Mendenhall's carries. Not good a enough split? I'd say that Mendenhall should had been pretty fresh with 228 carries (14 carries per game).

Redman wasn't going to get more carries based on Mendenhall's abilities. Mendenhall is a better and more complete RB then Redman. Mendenhall can run inside and has the speed to take it outside.

If they had put Redman in the game more, I'd have to read, "The offense was predictable. Everytime Redman came in the game it was a run up the middle." Follow me? That's what fans say all the time.

[steelz09]

Can you tell me how many times Heath was the primary target in the offense? If you can answer that question you will have a better idea how often he was being utilized as a pass catching threat. Heaths not the type of TE that will catch a lot of footballs. He's not as explosive as WR type TE's. I believe you are mistaken if you believe dink and dunk to Heath would work every game.

Redman had approx. 28% of the carries last season. Mendenhall had approx. 57% of the carries. That was almost 50% of Mendenhall's carries. Not good a enough split? I'd say that Mendenhall should had been pretty fresh with 228 carries (14 carries per game).

Redman wasn't going to get more carries based on Mendenhall's abilities. Mendenhall is a better and more complete RB then Redman. Mendenhall can run inside and has the speed to take it outside.

If they had put Redman in the game more, I'd have to read, "The offense was predictable. Everytime Redman came in the game it was a run up the middle." Follow me? That's what fans say all the time.

#1: You do NOT need to be explosive to sit in a zone 5-10 yards off the line of scrimmage.... my goodness

#2: You said why would I want to split carries and I answered you that 1 of the reasons is to keep Mendenhall fresh. You reply with "I'd say that Mendenhall should had been pretty fresh with 228 carries (14 carries per game)" Isn't that just validating my point?

#3: No, 28% of the total carries is not enough especially considering the o-lines play (or lack thereof) was a better fit for Redmans running style rather than Mendenhall or any of our other running back.

#4: Yes, I follow you but you just proved my point that Arians sucked. You just verified that the majority of the time Redman was in, the Steelers ran the ball. Exactly the predictability and play calling that got him fired. Maybe, just maybe Arians could run some play action w/ Redman in the game. But we can't do that... we can't be unpredictable

[hawaiiansteel]

Dammit Ben! Hand off better! [/COLOR]

the Steelers ran 434 times last year in the regular season compared to passing the ball 539 times.

that means we ran the ball less than 45% of the time while passing the ball more than 55% of the time.

Ben did a lot more than just hand the ball off. and if you don't like when runs and passes were called, blame Arians. he's the one who called in the plays...

[flippy]

Hell Kordell got MORE RESPECT than Ben gets.

Even that's a step too far for you...

C'Mon Crash...

[Crash]

Even that's a step too far for you...

C'Mon Crash...

Tell me I'm wrong? Kordell was directly involved in the hiring of Ray Sherman in 1998.

Ben gets a golf coached shoved down his throat with no input or leeway after winning two rings.

Kordell calls Pittsburgh a racist city, says the NFL didn't give him a chance after 2003 because of race, and Rooney allows him to "retire" a Steeler? I would have told him to go sheet in his race card playing hat.

Rooney sat there and let Goodell bend Ben and his team over. He should have came out in public and stated "Ben was not charged, according to the PCP you can't be eligible for suspension unless charged, so any suspensions handed out will be done by US".

But he didn't, he let Goodell make up his own rules for Ben, and did squat.

[hawaiiansteel]

Tell me I'm wrong

okay, you're wrong.

Kordell was liked as "Slash" but got very little respect from Steelers fans as a QB. the fans even went as far as to question his sexuality, not exactly a sign of respect.

on the other hand, the vast majority of Steelers fans greatly appreciate that Ben is our QB and have tremendous respect for his abilities as our franchise QB which is something that Korkie never received.

[Captain Lemming]

Um, Randall El wasn't even on the 2007 Steelers.

That's why I don't take you seriously. You read stats, nothing else.

This is why it is sooo fun debating you Crash.

OK mr "we run 64.7 percent of the time in the red zone on grass in November when behind by 4 or less" yes "I" an just looking at stats.

Cant handle the "substance", of the argument you pick and insignificant detail, and evade the point.

Again Crash let me make it simple:

We are ALWAYS consistent contenders when we run more
We score more when we run more
Even Ben's individual effectiveness (save for yardage) is ALWAYS good when we run more.

We have had a mixed bag....some good years and some bad years when Ben throws more. Ben has both good and bad seasons when we throw more.
The Steelers were a pass heavy team in the only seasons we missed the playoffs with Ben as QB.

That is a fact.

We are ALWAYS a contender with an elite QB in Ben when we run more.

You can EVADE all you want Crash but those are the facts.

[Crash]

This is why it is sooo fun debating you Crash.

OK mr "we run 64.7 percent of the time in the red zone on grass in November when behind by 4 or less" yes "I" an just looking at stats.

Cant handle the "substance", of the argument you pick and insignificant detail, and evade the point.

Again Crash let me make it simple:

We are ALWAYS consistent contenders when we run more
We score more when we run more
Even Ben's individual effectiveness (save for yardage) is ALWAYS good when we run more.

We have had a mixed bag....some good years and some bad years when Ben throws more. Ben has both good and bad seasons when we throw more.
The Steelers were a pass heavy team in the only seasons we missed the playoffs with Ben as QB.

That is a fact.

We are ALWAYS a contender with an elite QB in Ben when we run more.

You can EVADE all you want Crash but those are the facts.

And again, all you do is read stats while ignoring facts and context.

What should the Steelers do when Ben has ONE TURNOVER and they are down 29-7 in the second half of a game?

A) Run the ball, chew the clock, and go home?

or

B) Throw and try to get back in the game?

Like I said today, stats don't tell context. If stats just mattered Philip Rivers would be All Pro.

As I said, if you want to run all day? In this NFL? Ben has to go. No sense in paying him $15 mil to hand off.

[Crash]

okay, you're wrong.

Kordell was liked as "Slash" but got very little respect from Steelers fans as a QB. the fans even went as far as to question his sexuality, not exactly a sign of respect.

on the other hand, the vast majority of Steelers fans greatly appreciate that Ben is our QB and have tremendous respect for his abilities as our franchise QB which is something that Korkie never received.

I wasn't talking about fans, I was talking about within the organization. And you knew this.

It's OK though, we both know why.

[Captain Lemming]

And again, all you do is read stats while ignoring facts and context.

What should the Steelers do when Ben has ONE TURNOVER and they are down 29-7 in the second half of a game?

A) Run the ball, chew the clock, and go home?

or

B) Throw and try to get back in the game?

Pass obviously. HOWEVER, this team does not find itself in that scenario often enough to skew the numbers for the entire season. So your "point" is not valid.

Like I said today, stats don't tell context. If stats just mattered Philip Rivers would be All Pro.

That is true. The problem is that you fail to see that and need Ben to have big passing numbers to validate him.

As I said, if you want to run all day? In this NFL? Ben has to go. No sense in paying him $15 mil to hand off.

No I want what you keep saying now BC did. Score early with plenty of passing and hold the lead with the run. The result is WINS. Funny how during Ben's early years somehow DLs defense wasn't blowing leads the way you say he does now. You talk about "protecting the defense like it is a bad thing. Fact is Crash, it you care about "winning" rather than gaudy yardage numbers for the QB, you would WANT an offense that aids the defense, just as you want defense creating turnovers to aid the offense.

[Captain Lemming]

if you want to run all day? In this NFL? Ben has to go. No sense in paying him $15 mil to hand off.

I don't want to run all day. Just more than we do now. It worked fine in 04, 05, and 07. We scored more that way than we do now and won a championship. We never had a bad year playing that way. An elite QB with a feared run game spells dynasty.

[Crash]

Funny how during Ben's early years somehow DLs defense wasn't blowing leads the way you say he does now.

Excuse me?

They blew 4th quarter lead in the very first game LeBeau came back, and the eveil pass happy Ben didn't play, and the evil pass happy BA was the WR coach.

They also blew a lead at Jacksonville.

Blew a lead at New York.

2005

Gave up a GW FG after the offense tied the game against the Pats.

Blew a 14-0 lead the next game at San Diego.

Blew a 7 point 4th quarter lead against the Ravens.

Same problems, even when they try and run the ball like you want.

6 blown 4th quarter leads with the beloved Bill Cowher and his run game calling the shots.

You talk about 2007?

Tie the game in Denver, the defense gives it right back. Lose.

Need one stop to beat the Jets? Nope. Lose.

Tie the Jags in game one, the defense gives it right back. Lose.

Need one stop to beat the Jags in the playoffs? Nope. Lose.

Anything else? Those are the three best seasons you yap about, and yet the same ^&*()_ problems remain in the 4th on defense don't they?

Watch the games. You need help? Ask.

[Crash]

The Steelers were a pass heavy team in the only seasons we missed the playoffs with Ben as QB.

Just so we are clear here, you are blaming BEN for the 2009 season, correct?

[Captain Lemming]

Just so we are clear here, you are blaming BEN for the 2009 season, correct? [/COLOR]

I am not blaming Ben. Special teams had problems, defense was down. I am not a fan of the pass heavy play calling. YOU SAID we run to protect the defense SO IT MUST BE TRUE.

Bottom line, Ben's career high in YARDAGE, he was very accurate yet we failed to make the playoffs.

We scored more with Ben throwing for nearly 2000 less yards.

Ben played fine but the offense was less effective than 2005.

This is what you miss Crash. Wanting to run more is not a dig on Ben.

Corey Dillon helped Brady win a championship. Randy Moss never did.

[Crash]

Corey Dillon helped Brady win a championship. Randy Moss never did.

Yeah it was Randy Moss' fault Asante Samuel dropped an INT that would have sealed a 19-0 season and a GW TD for Moss in the Super Bowl.

You need to start WATCHING football.

I am not a fan of the pass heavy play calling.

Well guess what? It's a passing league now.