What's The Problem With Rushing the Football?

[Crash]

true. ben needs to learn how to dump off passes and utilize his tigh tends more instead of taking sacks looking for the deep ball.

Dump off passes to who? RBs? How can do that when the backs are blocking?

If you want Ben to take a 5 yard dump on 3rd and 10 and punt? Trade him for Carson Palmer.

You won't win anything, but he'll say healthy all year.

Tight ends? You need to Miller's numbers with Arians.

It was LOCAL YINZER Cowher who didn't use him.

[ikestops85]

no it's not.

winning football games is priority #1 in Pittsburgh, always has been and always will be.

Exactly, thinking anything else is plain silly.

[Slapstick]

We don't use the weapons we have. We have to run the ball.

The Steelers passed 56% of the time last year...it didn't work...

[Crash]

The Steelers passed 56% of the time last year...it didn't work...

Of course it didn't, the defense got torched by Joe Flacco and Tim Tebow.

If you want 50% TOTAL run pass? You can't pay Ben $15 mil a year. It's flat killing your own team.

You pay Lefty $3 mil a year, load up on backs, OLs, and defense. You let Wallace, Brown, and Sanders walk after their original (low round) contracts expire, and keep drafting 3rd-5th rounders at WR to be second tier parts to the offense.

[Slapstick]

Of course it didn't, the defense got torched by Joe Flacco and Tim Tebow.

If you want 50% TOTAL run pass? You can't pay Ben $15 mil a year. It's flat killing your own team.

You pay Lefty $3 mil a year, load up on backs, OLs, and defense. You let Wallace, Brown, and Sanders walk after their original (low round) contracts expire, and keep drafting 3rd-5th rounders at WR to be second tier parts to the offense.

Or...

You keep Ben and the WRs, design an offense that isn't predictable and use the legitimate threat of a run to create big plays in a play-action passing game...

[Crash]

Or...

You keep Ben and the WRs, design an offense that isn't predictable and use the legitimate threat of a run to create big plays in a play-action passing game...

And the % of run pass total that you want is???????

Answer that, then talk.

Highest yards per carry in TEN SEASONS in 2011 behind an injury filled OL.

Remember to treat Chubbs Peterson the same way.

[Slapstick]

And the % of run pass total that you want is???????

Answer that, then talk.

Highest yards per carry in TEN SEASONS in 2011 behind an injury filled OL.

Remember to treat Chubbs Peterson the same way.

It's easy:

I want the 1st down run/pass ratio to be closer to 50%, actually a lower run% than last year...

That should allow more 3rd and short or medium, which can open the entire playbook on 3rd downs instead of allowing defenses to key on the pass and sacking our QB...

If the overall ratio is skewed slightly to the pass, that's fine...as long as it isn't predictable...

[Crash]

I want the 1st down run/pass ratio to be closer to 50%

Then why are you arguing? That would be AGREEING with me.

[Slapstick]

Then why are you arguing? That would be AGREEING with me.


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The why are you arguing with me? That's been my position since Haley came on board...

It's just the first time you've actually read one of my posts instead of reading a phrase and immediately jumping to a conclusion...

[Crash]

You're words Slap:

Originally Posted by Slapstick [URL="http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=512362#post512362"][/URL]

The Steelers passed 56% of the time last year...it didn't work..

So again, what's the TOTAL % of run pass that you want? Not first down, TOTAL.

[Slapstick]

You're words Slap:



So again, what's the TOTAL % of run pass that you want? Not first down, TOTAL.

My words, Crash:

It's easy:

I want the 1st down run/pass ratio to be closer to 50%, actually a lower run% than last year...

That should allow more 3rd and short or medium, which can open the entire playbook on 3rd downs instead of allowing defenses to key on the pass and sacking our QB...

If the overall ratio is skewed slightly to the pass, that's fine...as long as it isn't predictable...

This is actually on this page of the thread, but, I thought if I reposted it when you were paying attention, you would understand...

[Slapstick]

The way the Steelers seem to be adapting this year is copycatting an aspect of what the Saints and the Patriots do...

In the NFL today, you don't necessarily need a home run threat at RB...I mean, how many SB rings does Adrian Peterson have?

Good passing offenses need to have a chain mover at RB...a guy like Pierre Thomas or BenJarvus Green-Ellis...these guys aren't threats to take it the distance, but they are tremendous chain movers...

Isaac Redman can be that same kind of RB...

I want the overall ratio of pass/run to be in the 50/50 range, though if it is skewed slightly to the pass (not 6%) I'm perfectly fine with that...

By passing more on 1st downs, it allows the threat of running on 2nd and 3rd downs...a legitimate threat with a pile mover like Redman...

Convert a few 2nd and short or 3rd and short with Redman and the defense has to account for him...

Then, play-action pass when their defense has adjusted and you will have single coverage on Wallace, Brown or Sanders...

Boom! Big play!

[Crash]

You mentioned how 56% total pass "didn't work".

So 2nd time, what is the % of total pass that you want?

You keep moving the target, you say one thing, then you say another.

When you answer the % of total run pass? Then we can proceed.

[Crash]

Drew Brees and Tom Brady each threw 600+ passes in 2011.

If Haley tries that with Ben? He'll be hung by the Clemente Bridge.

Gotta run the ball like Art wants.

[Sugar]

I'd like to see 70+% passing. Everything from long balls, interior routes and dump-offs to the backs and everything else. I'd like to see our weapons used as much as possible and spreading the love through the air. We don't have Bubby Brister behind center anymore, so let's pass until Ben complains that it's too much!