Predictions on Mike Wallace Contract?

[D Rock]

By that same token, I don't think that Mike Wallace has shown himself to be in that top tier...

Mike Wallace: 4 playoff games - 16 catches - 141 yards - 1 TD (and 1 rushing TD as well)

Antonio Brown: 4 playoff games - 10 catches - 160 yards - 0 TDs

Emmanuel Sanders: 4 playoff games - 13 catches - 172 yards - 0 TDs

If the Steelers are going to pay a guy $9 mil a year, he had better dominate in the playoffs instead of disappearing...as it stands now, his numbers in the postseason are comparable to Brown and Sanders, and that's with Sanders breaking his foot in the SB...

I'd be willing to bet that the incline in production from AB and especially Sanders has a whole lot to do with teams doing everything they can to shut down Mike Wallace in the playoffs.

[Slapstick]

I'd be willing to bet that the incline in production from AB and especially Sanders has a whole lot to do with teams doing everything they can to shut down Mike Wallace in the playoffs.

And being really successful...

[Crash]

We don't need Wallace if we are going back to 55% runs. Let him go after his rookie deal expires.

Ditto for Sanders and Brown.

[Slapstick]

We don't need Wallace if we are going back to 55% runs. Let him go after his rookie deal expires.

Ditto for Sanders and Brown.

Thak goodness we aren't doing that...

[Crash]

Thak goodness we aren't doing that...

If we don't throw the ball at least 55%? Let Wallace walk.

[papillon]

We don't need Wallace if we are going back to 55% runs. Let him go after his rookie deal expires.

Ditto for Sanders and Brown.

The GD horse is dead, find another horse to beat to death or bang a different drum please.

Pappy

[D Rock]

And being really successful...

I went back to the box scores for these 4 games....nothing really stands out as great offensively, although there is a good bit of bad.

[URL]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110115023[/URL]

The Baltimore game was won because the defense got 3rd quarter turnovers and gave the offense a very short field to work with. Overall it was a mediocre day for the the offense. AB and Sanders both had breakout games sort of, but being the 4th and 5th options in the passing game can give you some pretty good matchups to work with.

[URL]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110123023[/URL]

the Jets game was pitiful for the passing game but the running game carried the load. Perfect example of why you don't label yourself as a passing or a running team...you just do what you need to do in order to win the game.

[URL]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110206009[/URL]

The Super Bowl against GB was a good example of our offense trying to win games in the mold of a shoot out offense. As we all know, it wasn't exactly the outcome we wanted to see. Mike Wallace had a pretty darn good day though with 9 rec for 89 yards and 1 TD as a 2nd year player being the focus of the passing game.

[URL]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20120108007[/URL]

Last years game against the Broncos was a loss that can be pinned on the defense. The offense ran the ball really well but also needed to pass a lot to play catch up. Mike Wallace went MIA, but AB, Sanders, and Heath Miller all had pretty good games. This is probably the best example of the 4 games of Mike "The Decoy" Wallace. It's not the role I prefer to see him in, but when a defense commits to taking away a player and leaves 3 other guys to pick up the numbers that AB, Sanders, and Miller did (not to mention the running game being wide open for Redman)....well I'm okay with seeing that happen here and there.

[Slapstick]

I want Mike Wallace to stay in Pittsburgh.

But, if the Steelers are going to pay top dollar to a WR, that guy needs to play lights out and dominate in the playoffs...

The true, elite players that are worth that kind of coin (Fitzgerald, Megatron) can't be taken out of those playoff games...

[hawaiiansteel]

The GD horse is dead, find another horse to beat to death

[Oviedo]

Four seasons worth of Sanders and Brown:

ES 2010: 28-376-2
AB 2010: 16-167-0
ES 2011: 22-288-2
AB 2011: 69-1108-2

4 year total: 135-1939-6

Three seasons worth of Mike Wallace:

MW 2009: 39-756-6
MW 2010: 60-1257-10
MW 2011: 72-1193-8

3 year total: 171-3206-24

Between them, Brown and Sanders have had 1 quality season out of four combined seasons in the NFL.

Mike Wallace has had a quality season every year since he has been in the NFL.

The total number of TD catches for Sanders and Brown in their four combined seasons in the NFL is equal to the TD catches Mike Wallace had in his rookie season alone (which was the lowest total of his career).

Mike Wallace has 4 times as many TD catches in 3 seasons (24) than Brown and Sanders have in 4 combined seasons (6).

I think that the same people who constantly underrate Mike Wallace also overrate Sanders and Brown.

Sanders and Brown have potential...I like both of them...but the fact remains that Wallace has a proven track record of success.

People tend to focus on a poor second half of 2011 (29-393-3 in games 9-16) for Wallace following an awesome first half of 2011 in which he was averaging 100 receiving yards per game (43-800-5 in games 1-8).

Well, the second half of Mike Wallace's 2011 season (29-393-3) was still better than either of Emmanuel Sanders full seasons (28-376-2 and 22-288-2) and Antonio Brown's full 2010 season (16-167-0).

One might argue that maybe Wallace has plateaued, i.e. less yards, less TDs, vanished second half of last season and Brown is on the rise.

That is why I said this year is critical and I would not rush to sign Wallace to a big contract until we can evaluate the performance of all three of our top recivers to dtermine who it best to keep.

[D Rock]

I want Mike Wallace to stay in Pittsburgh.

But, if the Steelers are going to pay top dollar to a WR, that guy needs to play lights out and dominate in the playoffs...

The true, elite players that are worth that kind of coin (Fitzgerald, Megatron) can't be taken out of those playoff games...

I agree that top players need to have big games on the biggest stages. Wallace sort of did it in the Super Bowl, but that is certainly not the strength of his game right now though.


Clearly Megatron is on a different level, as is evidenced by the fact that he signed a contract with more guaranteed money that the total value of most other WR contracts. Ditto for Fitz.

Wallace deserves to fit in there somewhere around the likes of Vincent and Desean Jackson though, and the market for players of that caliber has been set. I think VJax has been overpaid which is really the big issue. He's getting an average of 11M/year which is just too much, but 9M/year is reasonable for Wallace IMO.

[papillon]

My question is with the evolution of offense in the NFL to a more pass heavy offense and teams needing 3, 4 or 5 competent receivers can you afford to pay a receiver like Fitz, Johnson & Johnson (had to do that), etc? That's a lot of scratch to wrap up in a player that touches the ball 10-15 times on great days. The quarterback handles the rock on every snap. You need good receivers form top to bottom and colleges are now turning out more and more quality receivers because of the shift in offensive philosophy. If I had my choice right now I'd rather 4 or 5 good receivers than Wallace and 3 or 4 other average receivers. Until one of these teams with the superstar receiver wins a Super Bowl I'm going with a lot of good receivers in the 4-7 million per year range than a guy like Fitz at 14 million per and 4 Limas Sweeds.

Pappy