Kordell Retires as a Steeler

[Slapstick]

Prime example: In Ben's three SBs they have run 9 first down plays in the red zone:

7 rushes 2 passes.

You can pay a guy $3 mil a year to do the same thing.

If there were no such thing as second down, third down or even fourth down, you're argument would make sense...

As it is? Not so much...

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If there were no such thing as second down, third down or even fourth down, you're argument would make sense...

As it is? Not so much...

2nd down: 5 rushes 3 passes.

3rd down: 4 rushes 3 passes.
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9 rushes 6 passes combined on 2nd and 3rd down.


16 rushes 8 passes TOTAL in all red zone plays.

That's not "balance".

Again, why are they paying him big money to hand off?

Makes no sense.

[Slapstick]

2nd down: 5 rushes 3 passes.

3rd down: 4 rushes 3 passes.
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9 rushes 6 passes combined on 2nd and 3rd down.


16 rushes 8 passes TOTAL in all red zone plays.

That's not "balance".

Again, why are they paying him big money to hand off?

Makes no sense.

Now, what are the results?

[Crash]

Now, what are the results?

You can get the same results having any QB hand off for $3 mil a year with better RBs and better OLs.

If you are going to pay a QB $15 MILLION a year? You don't have him handing the ball of 16 times in 24 red zone plays.

There's a reason why Ben Roethlisberger makes $15 million a year and Colt McCoy doesn't.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

If you are going to feature 1970s style football, you don't pay Ben Roethlisberger $15 million to do it. What would be the point?

What's the point??? It's all about WINNING. You keep Ben so you have a big-time QB to make big-time plays when you need them to win. We actually had "1970s style football" here in the 1970s--and we won Super Bowls, not with some journeyman at QB, but with a #1 draft pick with a big-time arm, who could make the plays when we needed them. Can't believe I have to write this to you.

No sense paying him the money he makes to be a spare cog in the offense instead of the motor that makes it run.

Exaggerate much??? The number of times the QB throws downfield might be reduced by a bit, and now, suddenly, he's become a "spare cog"? That's ridiculous.

The Haley offense may run the ball a little more...I'm not convinced of that yet, but, for the sake of argument, let's say it will...Still better to have Ben at QB than Leftwich or Batch or Dixon, or whatever "$3 million QB" they could find to plug in. You won't admit it because you are so hell-bent on having the offense run exactly as you would have it. But I have to believe that in your heart, you know what I'm saying is true.

[Slapstick]

What's the point??? It's all about WINNING. You keep Ben so you have a big-time QB to make big-time plays when you need them to win. We actually had "1970s style football" here in the 1970s--and we won Super Bowls, not with some journeyman at QB, but with a #1 draft pick with a big-time arm, who could make the plays when we needed them. Can't believe I have to write this to you.


Exaggerate much??? The number of times the QB throws downfield might be reduced by a bit, and now, suddenly, he's become a "spare cog"? That's ridiculous.

The Haley offense may run the be all a little more...I'm not convinced of that yet, but, for the sake of argument, let's say it will...Still better to have Ben at QB than Leftwich or Batch or Dixon, or whatever "$3 million QB" they could find to plug in. You won't admit it because you are so hell-bent on having the offense run exactly as you would have it. But I have to believe that in your heart, you know what I'm saying is true.

If the Steelers play 1975 football and win a SB, who cares how much Ben is paid?

He would have a 3rd SB ring, which would likely cement his HoF legacy...

Win-win...

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What's the point??? It's all about WINNING. You keep Ben so you have a big-time QB to make big-time plays when you need them to win. We actually had "1970s style football" here in the 1970s--and we won Super Bowls, not with some journeyman at QB, but with a #1 draft pick with a big-time arm, who could make the plays when we needed them. Can't believe I have to write this to you.

Different time, different game in 1974 and 1975.

But what did the Steelers DO as a team in 1978 and 1979 once the rules CHANGED to open up the passing game?

Their QB led the NFL in touchdown passes, and he was named Player of the Year.

We are where we are right now because ownership is more concerned with "tradition" and reliving the past than they are about WINNING.

We've been winning, but now that's not good enough.

Art II wants to win the way they won almost 40 YEARS ago.

[Crash]

If the Steelers play 1975 football and win a SB, who cares how much Ben is paid?

He would have a 3rd SB ring, which would likely cement his HoF legacy...

Win-win...

His HoF legacy is already cemented. History proves it.

[Slapstick]

Art II wants to win the way they won almost 40 YEARS ago.

Well, thank God we have you to clarify comments that require no clarification...

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Well, thank God we have you to clarify comments that require no clarification...

We'll see. Remember this Slap, Haley COMMENTED the day he was hired that there would be "a lot of carry over" from BA's offense to the 2012 version. I wouldn't call a 90% change in the system (according to Manny Sanders and Ben) "a lot of carry over". Would you? So much for what people say huh?

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Mike Tomlin commented to Bruce Arians and to his fellow assistants that he wanted Arians back for 2012.

But yet Arians is in Indy, no?

Again, what was SAID Slap?

What happened?

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His HoF legacy is already cemented. History proves it.

There's still a possibility that voters don't like Ben because of his off field incidents. Voters can be finicky.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Different time, different game in 1974 and 1975.

But what did the Steelers DO as a team in 1978 and 1979 once the rules CHANGED to open up the passing game?

Their QB led the NFL in touchdown passes, and he was named Player of the Year.

We are where we are right now because ownership is more concerned with "tradition" and reliving the past than they are about WINNING.

We've been winning, but now that's not good enough.

Art II wants to win the way they won almost 40 YEARS ago.

Nonsense. Art II wants to win Super Bowls. He's not content with a 21st-ranked offense that can't score in the red zone. Nor should he be.

And yes, the game has changed, but:
1) Though you may run the ball LESS, you still need to be able to run it EFFECTIVELY
2) A GREAT quarterback always trumps an AVERAGE one, because, at times, you need to make GREAT PASSES

Let's wait and see how this offense actually plays out. They haven't even played a preseason game yet, and you are condemning them for running the ball too much. I have a hunch that when they start playing the games that count, they won't necessarily be running the ball more, just better. And I think you'll see Ben passing more in the red zone (just not so many fade routes to smurf receivers).

[Crash]

1) Though you may run the ball LESS, you still need to be able to run it EFFECTIVELY

The Giants were last in the league in rushing, and were last in the league in yards per carry.

So much for that.

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The Giants were last in the league in rushing, and were last in the league in yards per carry.

So much for that.


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Once again it wasn't by choice....

That's like a fan of the run game using the passing stats while Ben was suspended as proof the pass isn't important because we went 3-1.

I love how everyone uses the last SB winner to prove what works and what doesn't work. If you watched every playoff game there were 4 to 5 key plays in each that determined the outcome.