Pittsburgh Steelers: Todd Haley Has Already Identified Offensive Strengths

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  • Crash
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    • Apr 2009
    • 5008

    Originally posted by feltdizz
    They run AND they throw when they are up big but the difference is Brees throwing into tighter windows and on back shoulders to WR's who aren't afraid to go get it. Outside of Brown I haven't seen any of our WR's show any hunger when the ball is in the air.
    It's always been this way. Long before the YMC ever played here.

    We get a lead, we have to run in the 4th. That's what people want. Case in point, SB XLIII we had the ball up 20-7 from the 48 after a Cards penalty.

    Run run sack punt.

    Then the Cardinals went right down the field and scored.

    So Arians did it the Yinzer Way the first time they had the ball in that 4th quarter, and the defense still folded like a cheap suit the next time they went on the field.

    Me? I would have went for the throat and ended the game myself.

    But we are too obsessed with re-living the old days.

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 27532

      People don't want to run they want to win and a dominant run game will help us...
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • Crash
        Legend
        • Apr 2009
        • 5008

        Originally posted by feltdizz
        People don't want to run they want to win and a dominant run game will help us...
        Well guess what? The other team gets paid too.

        The last time the Steelers had a "dominant" running game was 1997. It's not as easy as one thinks to get one.

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        • Shawn
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          I believe we need to run, run then run some more. When we are done running, we should be thinking about running. When Haley is sleeping at night, he should be dreaming up new running plays.
          Trolls are people too.

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          • Sugar
            Hall of Famer
            • Oct 2008
            • 3700

            Originally posted by Shawn
            I believe we need to run, run then run some more. When we are done running, we should be thinking about running. When Haley is sleeping at night, he should be dreaming up new running plays.
            I also believe we should be running... after catching a pass!

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            • Oviedo
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 23824

              Originally posted by Sugar
              I also believe we should be running... after catching a pass!
              Yards after the catch is the name of the game in today's NFL. No more Neanderthal football.
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • hawaiiansteel
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 35648

                Todd Haley says Steelers learning O

                Updated: June 6, 2012
                Associated Press

                PITTSBURGH -- Throughout the offseason, on and off the field, new Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley has appeared relaxed, at ease and smiling. The same was the case on Wednesday, when he spoke with the media during training activities.

                Far from the fiery, not-afraid-to-get-in-a-player's-face persona he has cultivated over 15 years as an assistant or head coach in the NFL, this is a new Haley with a new mission on a new team. But don't worry, he said. The Steelers will see that side of him soon enough.

                "I don't flip that switch until a little later," Haley said, drawing laughs. "In training camp, we'll pick it up a notch."

                Demeanor aside, Haley was more direct in addressing concerns about the Steelers learning his offense before the start of the season.

                "You use all this time," Haley said. "It will be training camp and then it will be the real preseason games before anybody is totally comfortable."

                Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has repeatedly expressed consternation about the transition to a new system after playing in virtually the same offense under coordinators Ken Whisenhunt and Bruce Arians the first eight years of his career.

                Roethlisberger was absent from the optional practice Wednesday, after which Haley spoke publicly for the first time since the draft in April. Haley was asked if he was worried that his two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback has so often expressed concern in assimilating into the new offense.

                "I haven't sensed any of that concern, at least me personally," Haley said. "He's in here, he's working hard. He's into it -- even the days when he hasn't practiced, he's over my shoulder, talking, commenting, discussing. That's what I've seen out of all the good quarterbacks -- really good quarterbacks -- that I've been around act like."

                While Haley asserted that "this goes on each and every year" around the league, the Steelers are usually a model of consistency. The franchise that has had only three head coaches since 1969 had been running the same offense and defense since Roethlisberger entered the league in 2004.

                Arians was the wide receivers coach under Whisenhunt until the latter was hired by the Arizona Cardinals as a head coach. Haley was Whisenhunt's offensive coordinator for two seasons -- including the Cardinals' 2009 NFC title season -- before moving on to Kansas City.

                "Change is not always comfortable, and we said that right out of the gate," said Haley, who was fired by the Chiefs in December. "Sometimes when there are changes, that's a way to keep guys on their toes and keep their focus on the understanding of what the goal is -- and that is to win Super Bowls."

                While sheepishly conceding he was using "coachspeak," Haley described his offense by saying he wants "a physical group, a smart group, a disciplined group."

                Haley has shown an ability to adapt to his personnel. The vertical-passing offense during his time with the Cardinals differed greatly from the run-oriented attack used by the Chiefs during their 2010 AFC West title season. Haley said he's learning about his new players as much as they are learning about him. More than any dramatic changes in structure, semantics are the hurdles that need to be cleared.

                "Football is football," Haley said. "Terminology is the issue, really. Philosophically, you spell out to your guys how you want to play football and then it is about them understanding the language.

                "We, coaches, are creatures of habit. You can go around the league and hear a lot of the same words. But the problem is when they don't mean the same thing. You try to avoid those situations, where guys are having to translate language-to-language and concept-to-concept."

                Haley said the Steelers' offense is where he wants it to be at this stage, with OTAs concluding after a session Thursday. Mandatory minicamp is next week.

                "Next week will be a real big week for us because what we are going to do is backtrack and redo exactly what we did again," Haley said. "It will be the third time they are hearing. In Phase I, in the little bit of field work we were able to do, we installed it once then. So this is second time through. And next week will be our third, and training camp will be fourth."

                With Roethlisberger turning 30 this offseason, the Steelers are taking steps to keep their $102 million quarterback healthy for the long-term. Pittsburgh drafted offensive linemen in the first two rounds, and team president Art Rooney II suggested Roethlisberger would need to "tweak" his game.

                Roethlisberger has thrived due to his propensity to scramble, fend off sacks with his strength and keep plays alive, and the franchise quarterback has been reluctant to alter a style that has made him a star.

                While Haley said preventing the quarterback from taking hits is "always an emphasis," he didn't sound as if he was making any directives aimed at forcing Roethlisberger to stay more in the pocket or get rid of the ball earlier.

                "It's one of the best things he does, and it's what separates him from all the other guys in the league for the most part," Haley said. "So you don't want to take that great ability away from him."

                Haley has yet to work with speedy starting receiver Mike Wallace, a restricted free agent who has not signed his tender nor attended team offseason workouts.

                "He'll be behind a little bit, but he has to pick it up," Haley said. "We'll make sure that occurs.

                "http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8017700/new-oc-todd-haley-says-pittsburgh-steelers-picking-offense

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                • RuthlessBurgher
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 33208

                  Sure sounds like the ol' golf coach is forcing our $100 million dollar QB to become a Carson Palmer clone as he converts this offense to 1975 smashmouth to keep all the Yinzers happy. Yoi!

                  Roethlisberger has thrived due to his propensity to scramble, fend off sacks with his strength and keep plays alive, and the franchise quarterback has been reluctant to alter a style that has made him a star.

                  While Haley said preventing the quarterback from taking hits is "always an emphasis," he didn't sound as if he was making any directives aimed at forcing Roethlisberger to stay more in the pocket or get rid of the ball earlier.

                  "It's one of the best things he does, and it's what separates him from all the other guys in the league for the most part," Haley said. "So you don't want to take that great ability away from him."
                  Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                  Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                  We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                  We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                  • Oviedo
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 23824

                    Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                    Sure sounds like the ol' golf coach is forcing our $100 million dollar QB to become a Carson Palmer clone as he converts this offense to 1975 smashmouth to keep all the Yinzers happy. Yoi!

                    I think Haley has a clear idea to keep Ben healthy which is the most importnat thing on this team and will dictate our success or failure. Sometimes a player has to be protected from himself for the good of the team.
                    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                    • Crash
                      Legend
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 5008

                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      I think Haley has a clear idea to keep Ben healthy which is the most importnat thing on this team and will dictate our success or failure. Sometimes a player has to be protected from himself for the good of the team.
                      So you draft linemen.

                      Didn't Haley also SAY that there would be A LOT of carryover from the old system to his?

                      A 90% change, doesn't support that theory.

                      So much for what he says huh?

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                      • Slapstick
                        Rookie
                        • May 2008
                        • 0

                        Originally posted by Crash
                        Didn't Haley also SAY that there would be A LOT of carryover from the old system to his?

                        A 90% change, doesn't support that theory.
                        He probably anticipated a lot of similarities between his playbook and Whisenhunt's playbook, which he thought the Steelers were using...

                        When dealing with the gutted Bruce Arians playbook, it probably seems like a 90% change...
                        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                        • ikestops85
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 3724

                          Originally posted by Crash
                          Well guess what? The other team gets paid too.

                          The last time the Steelers had a "dominant" running game was 1997. It's not as easy as one thinks to get one.
                          Are you kidding me?

                          That 2004 team had one of the most dominant run games that I have ever seen. They would get a lead in the first half and then sit on it in the second half with Staley (for the first half of the year) and Bettis churn out first down after first down on the ground. That ground game was a great benefit to a rookie QB coming into the league and being forced into the lineup.

                          I'm sure you will disagree with this since it doesn't say that Ben was God's gift to QBs when he started but it is the truth. The running game that year was AWESOME!!
                          As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                          but Go Steelers!!!

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                          • Crash
                            Legend
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 5008

                            That 2004 team had one of the most dominant run games that I have ever seen.


                            They just ran more often than anyone. Dominant run teams aren't 19th in YPC.





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                            • ikestops85
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 3724

                              Originally posted by Crash
                              They just ran more often than anyone. Dominant run teams aren't 19th in YPC.
                              They certainly are. They say here we come ... try and stop us ... and nobody could. That means the YPC isn't great but being able to run that many times means you are successful and Dominant.
                              As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                              but Go Steelers!!!

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                              • feltdizz
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 27532

                                Originally posted by Crash
                                They just ran more often than anyone. Dominant run teams aren't 19th in YPC.





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                                When teams know you are running and they still can't stop it... that's dominant.

                                YPC suffered due to the D stacking the box but our record didn't suffer at all.
                                Steelers 27
                                Rats 16

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