WR Sanders Confirms to Steelers Gab – The Offense is Nearly All Brand New

[Sugar]

I saw this on the front page here.

[URL]http://www.steelersgab.com/2012/05/10/wr-sanders-confirms-to-steelers-gab-the-offense-is-nearly-all-brand-new/[/URL]

What does everyone think when Sanders is saying that 95% of the offense will be new?

[Oviedo]

Innovation is not bad. It seems to be getting these guys focused and their heads in the playbook real early. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe there is some method in Haley's madness.

I'm not worried at all.

[ikestops85]

Innovation is not bad. It seems to be getting these guys focused and their heads in the playbook real early. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe there is some method in Haley's madness.

I'm not worried at all.

Why is changing the language considered innovation? I've never understood why a coach comes in and changes the language and 20 some people have to learn it instead of him adapting to the language that the 20 some people already know. He can still draw up his own plays but he has to call them in a way the players understand. That's just pure arrogance to me.

I guess I need to start the first "Fire Haley" thread.

[steelblood]

Maybe now Ben will stop using the "black 20, bla-" snap count. they used that extensively for over 2 years. it was pretty easy to jump after a while.

[Sugar]

I guess I need to start the first "Fire Haley" thread.

Don't worry, those threads will start soon enough. I'm guessing that after the first game might be too soon, but around here you never know.

[Snatch98]

What I didn't like in that article was the line about the offense being good. We have all the tools but weren't innovative on the ground. We weren't good in the red zone. I'm sure a lot of us could find other things to complain about offensively. You can't be a good offense and 21st in the NFL so personally I have zero issue with Haley coming in and changing the offense. They have plenty of time to absorb it. I certainly wouldn't want Haley running a hybrid with old Arians stuff AND our players are PROFESSIONAL athletes. They shouldn't have a problem taking in the changes. I'm glad he's blowing it up. It also puts Haley more in control and Ben is going to have to fall in line.

[Crash]

Yeah let's teach Ben a lesson. Because Haley's done so much in his career as a coach.

Remember boys and girls, Charlie Weis isn't on our staff. Matt Cassell can vouch for what good he did for him.

[Snatch98]

Yeah let's teach Ben a lesson. Because Haley's done so much in his career as a coach.

Remember boys and girls, Charlie Weis isn't on our staff. Matt Cassell can vouch for what good he did for him.

Haley had quite a bit of success as a offensive coordinator and what I meant was that Ben was going to have to rid himself of the Arians offense. There is another article on the front page right now indicating it's a non issue. However no matter how you shake it Ben had too much control/comfort with Arians.

[Sugar]

Haley had quite a bit of success as a offensive coordinator and what I meant was that Ben was going to have to rid himself of the Arians offense. There is another article on the front page right now indicating it's a non issue. However no matter how you shake it Ben had too much control/comfort with Arians.

I'm trying to see how our franchise QB could have too much control/comfort with an offensive scheme. We'll see if it bears out or not, but IMO the offense would be better this year simply because of the upgrades that were made in the draft. Add to that when you have the most injured line in the league, you're O is just gonna suffer- especially in the red zone.

[Crash]

Haley had quite a bit of success as a offensive coordinator and what I meant was that Ben was going to have to rid himself of the Arians offense. There is another article on the front page right now indicating it's a non issue. However no matter how you shake it Ben had too much control/comfort with Arians.

Control my ass. Do you HONESTLY think Ben HIMSELF preferred 2-3 TE sets over the three wide? You are nuts.

Arians treating Ben like a human being isn't a bad thing. Comfort? You mean like when Dan Reeves was fired and the Broncos made Elway's life easier?

Pull up Elway's numbers in his first 10 seasons with Reeves.

Then pull up his last 6 seasons after Reeves was fired.

And before you say it? Elway had three different Pro Bowl RBs BEFORE he ever played with Terrell Davis.

Kurt Warner when healthy, was winning Super Bowls long before the former golf coach ever got a job as an OC.

[focosteeler]

Why is changing the language considered innovation? I've never understood why a coach comes in and changes the language and 20 some people have to learn it instead of him adapting to the language that the 20 some people already know. He can still draw up his own plays but he has to call them in a way the players understand. That's just pure arrogance to me.

I guess I need to start the first "Fire Haley" thread.

I see it as Haley being able to say 'this is my offense, it is in no way related to the craap you guys ran last year' everything down to the smallest term is changed so no one confuses anything. Who knows maybe his way is simpler and easier for everyone to understand. Im not making my judgments on Haley and the offense until week 8..... At least i'll try

[Deesee]

Hey, I'm new here! I've been lurking for a while but wanted to help on this one. See [URL="http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/32414-tomin-arians-firing-his-decision"]this[/URL] article.

It seems like Tomlin thought it was time for a change, with specifically the language, because of divisional opponents that may be "comfortable" with how the Steelers were running/calling the plays. Further, it seems like Haley's MO is doing what works, and working to team strengths. I haven't seen where he has said any differently. I think all this stuff about him putting his stamp on the offense and teaching Ben a lesson or reeling Ben in, has mostly been media generated. I also think this why we're seeing a lot about different language on offense but also hearing that Haley wants to utilize no-huddle or our passing attack.

- Just my thoughts.

[Crash]

The media didn't say Ben needed to tweak his game, GM/Coach/Owner Art II did.

[fordfixer]

Hey, I'm new here! I've been lurking for a while but wanted to help on this one. See [URL="http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/32414-tomin-arians-firing-his-decision"]this[/URL] article.

It seems like Tomlin thought it was time for a change, with specifically the language, because of divisional opponents that may be "comfortable" with how the Steelers were running/calling the plays. Further, it seems like Haley's MO is doing what works, and working to team strengths. I haven't seen where he has said any differently. I think all this stuff about him putting his stamp on the offense and teaching Ben a lesson or reeling Ben in, has mostly been media generated. I also think this why we're seeing a lot about different language on offense but also hearing that Haley wants to utilize no-huddle or our passing attack.

- Just my thoughts.

Welcome to the Planet Deesee

[Snatch98]

Let me make my position more clear. I don't think Ben needs a "lesson" but I do think that Arians held him back. He clearly didn't want Arians forced out of town and I 100% believe that with the addition of the two lineman and Haley, Ben is going to enter another level of his game. It's also precisely why I have zero issue with Haley "blowing it up" so to speak. It's going to challenge the players, the offense will be his and the whole team can "buy in" to the new offense. I love the way Ben plays but once again thought Arians was holding him back. I guess we'll find out soon enough because Ben is going to have a vastly improved offensive line and a offensive coordinator that has proven he's going to pound what works.