WR Sanders Confirms to Steelers Gab – The Offense is Nearly All Brand New

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  • Crash
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    • Apr 2009
    • 5008

    #16
    Arians did what he was told in 2010 and 2011.

    In 2009 Ben threw 26 TD passes in 15 games, Hines and Holmes had 1000 each, Mendy had 1200 and Heath Miller had a career year.

    But because no one wanted to admit that LeBeau's 4th quarter scheme sucks as bad as a Ho in the Hill District, Art wanted more commitment to the running game.

    And the offense has been a complete erratic mess [especially in the red zone] since.

    Only in freaking Pittsburgh can a defense (with a TON of high priced talent) blow 2009 4th quarter leads at an alarming rate, then get torched in two straight playoff games (one by the worst passer in the ^%&* league) , and the OFFENSE is the unit that gets blamed for it.
    Last edited by Crash; 05-11-2012, 03:38 AM.

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    • DBR96A
      Backup
      • Feb 2012
      • 469

      #17
      Todd Haley is a proven commodity as an offensive coordinator, and it's telling that he took virtually the entire Bruce Arians playbook and threw it in the trash.
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      • Flasteel
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 4004

        #18
        Originally posted by Crash
        Arians did what he was told in 2010 and 2011.

        In 2009 Ben threw 26 TD passes in 15 games, Hines and Holmes had 1000 each, Mendy had 1200 and Heath Miller had a career year.

        But because no one wanted to admit that LeBeau's 4th quarter scheme sucks as bad as a Ho in the Hill District, Art wanted more commitment to the running game.

        And the offense has been a complete erratic mess [especially in the red zone] since.

        Only in freaking Pittsburgh can a defense (with a TON of high priced talent) blow 2009 4th quarter leads at an alarming rate, then get torched in two straight playoff games (one by the worst passer in the ^%&* league) , and the OFFENSE is the unit that gets blamed for it.
        Please. I'm not going to argue about the 4th quarter collapses, but the offense has had problems since Arians took over in 2007. You can trot out all of the shiny individual stats you want, but the play-calling and adjustments...especially when it came to countering the opposing pass rush have been evident for a long time. Don't obsfucate the problems with Arians by pointing to the issues on defense.
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        • Oviedo
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 23824

          #19
          Originally posted by Crash
          Arians did what he was told in 2010 and 2011.

          In 2009 Ben threw 26 TD passes in 15 games, Hines and Holmes had 1000 each, Mendy had 1200 and Heath Miller had a career year.

          But because no one wanted to admit that LeBeau's 4th quarter scheme sucks as bad as a Ho in the Hill District, Art wanted more commitment to the running game.

          And the offense has been a complete erratic mess [especially in the red zone] since.

          Only in freaking Pittsburgh can a defense (with a TON of high priced talent) blow 2009 4th quarter leads at an alarming rate, then get torched in two straight playoff games (one by the worst passer in the ^%&* league) , and the OFFENSE is the unit that gets blamed for it.
          It's in the DNA. Defense can do no wrong. There will be more blame on Haley this season for changing the playbook and making all these players learn something new than LeBeau throwing out the same old template defense and failing to make in game adjustments.
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • steelnavy
            Backup
            • Aug 2008
            • 307

            #20
            Originally posted by Crash
            Arians did what he was told in 2010 and 2011.

            In 2009 Ben threw 26 TD passes in 15 games, Hines and Holmes had 1000 each, Mendy had 1200 and Heath Miller had a career year.

            But because no one wanted to admit that LeBeau's 4th quarter scheme sucks as bad as a Ho in the Hill District, Art wanted more commitment to the running game.

            And the offense has been a complete erratic mess [especially in the red zone] since.

            Only in freaking Pittsburgh can a defense (with a TON of high priced talent) blow 2009 4th quarter leads at an alarming rate, then get torched in two straight playoff games (one by the worst passer in the ^%&* league) , and the OFFENSE is the unit that gets blamed for it.
            I find it quite ironic that you will blame those losses soley on the D. So its ok that the offense fails to score points in the 4th QTR but gawd forbid if the defense slips up at the same time... Why did our offense get so anemic near the end of games? Because Arians is predictable and doesn't have the brain power to adjust at halftime. Good riddance!

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            • Slapstick
              Rookie
              • May 2008
              • 0

              #21
              Originally posted by Crash
              But because no one wanted to admit that LeBeau's 4th quarter scheme sucks as bad as a Ho in the Hill District, Art wanted more commitment to the running game.
              Arians' 4th quarter scheme sucked just as badly...

              The difference is that LeBeau did something about it...

              Arians never did...
              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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              • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 10281

                #22
                This is a non-story. As fans it might be fun to get involved in every detail, but the fact is that Haley was hired to guide us to a certain place. We just need to worry if he gets there, not question the path that he takes.
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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Slapstick
                  Arians' 4th quarter scheme sucked just as badly...

                  The difference is that LeBeau did something about it...

                  Arians never did...
                  What did LeBeau ever do about it? Nothing has changed . Nothing changed going into the OT of the Denver game. Same scheme that Tebow had been picking apart.
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                  • Oviedo
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 23824

                    #24
                    Originally posted by steelnavy
                    I find it quite ironic that you will blame those losses soley on the D. So its ok that the offense fails to score points in the 4th QTR but gawd forbid if the defense slips up at the same time... Why did our offense get so anemic near the end of games? Because Arians is predictable and doesn't have the brain power to adjust at halftime. Good riddance!
                    I said all last season. We needed to replace two coordinators. Good start with Arians. One down and one to go.
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                    • Sugar
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 3700

                      #25
                      Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                      This is a non-story. As fans it might be fun to get involved in every detail, but the fact is that Haley was hired to guide us to a certain place. We just need to worry if he gets there, not question the path that he takes.
                      That is closer to my thinking as well. I posted the story because change challenges people. That can be a good thing or a bad thing- even that is on a sliding scale. I will be curious to see how the players respond not only to the playbook, but the style change in leadership.

                      My hope is that Haley is out of here in a year because the Steelers Offense is so good that he is the top pick for Head Coach openings next February.

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                      • Crash
                        Legend
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 5008

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Slapstick
                        Arians' 4th quarter scheme sucked just as badly...

                        The difference is that LeBeau did something about it...

                        Arians never did...
                        So scoring TD's in the 4th quarter only to see the defense go right back on the field and give points right back somehow meant the offense sucked too?

                        If you say so.

                        What did LeBeau do exactly? They are still giving up 4th quarter leads.

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                        • ikestops85
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 3724

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Crash
                          So scoring TD's in the 4th quarter only to see the defense go right back on the field and give points right back somehow meant the offense sucked too?

                          If you say so.

                          What did LeBeau do exactly? They are still giving up 4th quarter leads.
                          Sorry Crash but there are 4 quarters in a game. The steelers defense led the league by giving up 14.1 points per game. What did the offense do consistently? They struggled against bad teams. Remember the Colts game ... how about both Stains games? We can even go back to the SB in 2010 and claim if the offense wouldn't have turned the ball over so many times we would have won. It's easy to cherry pick games ... or even parts of games.

                          I have to laugh at those attacking LeBeau's defense against Denver. You are the same people who bellyached about us constantly sitting back in a soft zone and let the QB pick us apart with short passes. So LeBeau "adjusts", just like he did in the New England game, and played press/man coverage like you wanted him to and you still complain.

                          I've asked this of you LeBeau haters before. Name me all the teams that have played better overall defense the last 5-10 years than the Steelers. I never seem to get an answer.

                          Now back to the topic at hand. I love that Haley is willing to change the offense to suit the talents of the team. I think all coaches should operate that way. I still don't see a reason to change the play calling language itself. To me that is a distraction to the players and not of any benefit. The language is just how you call the plays ... not what plays you call.
                          As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                          but Go Steelers!!!

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                          • steelz09
                            Administrator
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 4675

                            #28
                            LeBeau's defense has always been a bend but don't break system. Especially when we have the lead, Lebeau goes to the "prevent you from winning defense".

                            A couple things bother me about this defense:

                            1) Our D line was getting no push at all. To get pressure, we had to send the house.
                            2) Lack of playmakers especially in the secondary. Polamalu is the one guy. Harrison has his days... Woodley has his moments.
                            Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                            • Djfan
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                              • May 2008
                              • 5184

                              #29
                              Originally posted by ikestops85
                              I still don't see a reason to change the play calling language itself. To me that is a distraction to the players and not of any benefit. The language is just how you call the plays ... not what plays you call.
                              I understood it to mean that the other AFCN teams were learning our verbage too well.
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                              • Crash
                                Legend
                                • Apr 2009
                                • 5008

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ikestops85
                                Sorry Crash but there are 4 quarters in a game.
                                Very good. You should tell Dick LeBeau that.

                                Because his insistence to change from what has worked in the games first 45 minutes during the last 15? Kills this team.

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