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  • Sugar
    Hall of Famer
    • Oct 2008
    • 3700

    #16
    Originally posted by Oviedo
    Has Redman really proven himself? He played because the starter got hurt. Not exactly trending for the HoF. Richardson will be the better back and trying to cast Redman as anywhere near him talent-wise is laughable.
    Richardson will probably be the best starting back in the division. Redman will only start because Mendenhall is injured and will probably be the worst starting RB in the division- even though he's a good player.

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    • feltdizz
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      • May 2008
      • 27531

      #17
      Originally posted by Oviedo
      Has Redman really proven himself? He played because the starter got hurt. Not exactly trending for the HoF. Richardson will be the better back and trying to cast Redman as anywhere near him talent-wise is laughable.

      Doesn't matter why Redman is starting or if he is the better talent. That wasn't the question the OP posed. He is talking about production THIS year by both RB's. Richardson is still a Brown and I doubt he will have an Adrian Peterson type rookie year.

      I wouldn't be shocked to see Redman putting up better numbers at the start of the season. Richardson is more talented but Redman is consistent at getting 4 to 5 yards a pop. We also have Decastro on the OL now!

      I know you aren't a believer in Redman but he has a style that screams 100 ypg... it won't be flashy but it will be consistent. The Browns still lack a ton on the offensive side of the ball.

      Richardson hasn't done anything yet and while I think he will be a stud I wont crown him until I see it in the NFL.
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      • Oviedo
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 23824

        #18
        Originally posted by feltdizz
        Doesn't matter why Redman is starting or if he is the better talent. That wasn't the question the OP posed. He is talking about production THIS year by both RB's. Richardson is still a Brown and I doubt he will have an Adrian Peterson type rookie year.

        I wouldn't be shocked to see Redman putting up better numbers at the start of the season. Richardson is more talented but Redman is consistent at getting 4 to 5 yards a pop. We also have Decastro on the OL now!

        I know you aren't a believer in Redman but he has a style that screams 100 ypg... it won't be flashy but it will be consistent. The Browns still lack a ton on the offensive side of the ball.

        Richardson hasn't done anything yet and while I think he will be a stud I wont crown him until I see it in the NFL.
        I'm not as anti-Redman as many like to think, but I just see a decent back-up RB nothing more. No WOW! No special. I think there are two FA RBs that formerly player for Haley, Hightower and Battle, that give you the same thing Redman does.

        As far as his style while it may scream 100 ypg to you, it screams injury by mid-season to me. He can't avoid contact which is a problem for a RB.
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        • Jooser
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          • Jul 2008
          • 5102

          #19
          With Redman's running style, he won't last the whole season because his body isn't big enough to back up his running style for an entire season. Look, he gets winded before the game is over because of this, so he will eventually wear down as the season goes on. I like Redman, he's all heart, like Rocko. But, he isn't even on the level as a Richardson. If we hang on to our rehabbing Mendy, Redman will start splitting carries when he comes back, but I'd bet he'll be splitting carries before that even.
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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
            • 27531

            #20
            Originally posted by Jooser
            With Redman's running style, he won't last the whole season because his body isn't big enough to back up his running style for an entire season. Look, he gets winded before the game is over because of this, so he will eventually wear down as the season goes on. I like Redman, he's all heart, like Rocko. But, he isn't even on the level as a Richardson. If we hang on to our rehabbing Mendy, Redman will start splitting carries when he comes back, but I'd bet he'll be splitting carries before that even.
            You make it sound like a bad thing to split carries...

            I expect Redman to get 15 to 17 touches a game just like the Denver game..
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            • phillyesq
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 7568

              #21
              Originally posted by Shoe
              Would you trade Barry Foster for Emmitt Smith? Barry Sanders?

              My guess is a resounding YES. Yet for one season, Foster paced both Sanders and Smith in a season (when both had excellent years). The people who are dismissing the notion are either not understanding the question:

              -(I asked if you thought Redman, with a starting job + a new commitment to the run game, could produce on par with Cleveland's #1 pick)

              -Think that Redman is only capable of 600 or so yards (legitimate opinion)

              -think Richardson is going to set the league on fire (IMO, a longshot this season)

              To go to your original question, I think Redman will be productive and useful this year. I also think the Steelers will find a complimentary back to pair with Redman, limiting his touches and overall production.

              Richardson will be hampered by the lack of any other weapon, but I think he could still end up with 1200 yards.

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              • Sugar
                Hall of Famer
                • Oct 2008
                • 3700

                #22
                Originally posted by phillyesq
                To go to your original question, I think Redman will be productive and useful this year. I also think the Steelers will find a complimentary back to pair with Redman, limiting his touches and overall production.

                Richardson will be hampered by the lack of any other weapon, but I think he could still end up with 1200 yards.
                We still don't know what Barron Batch will bring to the party or if they will sign another RB from the draft. Clay and Dwyer are still there as well so there should be plenty of people to platoon with Redman.

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                • Jooser
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                  • Jul 2008
                  • 5102

                  #23
                  My only point about splitting carries is the one made by Philly, it will limit his overall production numbers. He's not capable of carrying the workload by himself. BTW, we lost to Denver, remember?
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                  • Slapstick
                    Rookie
                    • May 2008
                    • 0

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Jooser
                    My only point about splitting carries is the one made by Philly, it will limit his overall production numbers. He's not capable of carrying the workload by himself. BTW, we lost to Denver, remember?
                    It certainly wasn't because of anything Redman did or did not do...
                    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                    • ikestops85
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 3724

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jooser
                      My only point about splitting carries is the one made by Philly, it will limit his overall production numbers. He's not capable of carrying the workload by himself. BTW, we lost to Denver, remember?
                      Why do you think Redman isn't capable of carrying the workload? I think he can carry the workload just as well as Mendy did. I would like to see Batch develop and provide a different style of runner and get some carries but I'm perfectly fine with Redman. The guy has done everthing asked of him and he's done it better than any back we have on the team. Is it just because he's an UDFA? I wonder if folks in Houston are saying the same thing about Arian Foster?
                      As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                      but Go Steelers!!!

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                      • Oviedo
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                        • May 2008
                        • 23824

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ikestops85
                        Why do you think Redman isn't capable of carrying the workload? I think he can carry the workload just as well as Mendy did. I would like to see Batch develop and provide a different style of runner and get some carries but I'm perfectly fine with Redman. The guy has done everthing asked of him and he's done it better than any back we have on the team. Is it just because he's an UDFA? I wonder if folks in Houston are saying the same thing about Arian Foster?
                        Really comparing Redmnan to Foster in addition to Richardson. I get some are in love with the "underdog" angle but a little relaity please
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                        • Jooser
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                          • Jul 2008
                          • 5102

                          #27
                          I make my assessment on the fact that the guy is gassed after about 10 carries. I give you that he runs hard and is easy to cheer on, but he hasn't shown me that he's a feature back yet. Just sayin'.
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                          • Snatch98
                            Pro Bowler
                            • May 2008
                            • 1451

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Jooser
                            I make my assessment on the fact that the guy is gassed after about 10 carries. I give you that he runs hard and is easy to cheer on, but he hasn't shown me that he's a feature back yet. Just sayin'.
                            It's because he's not a feature back. I love the guy but he's not a carry the load kind of runner. We're certainly going to use a heavy committee approach, especially if they draft a guy like James in round 2. Comparing him to Trent Richardson is also one of the craziest things I've read on a website in a while. It's something you'd read on a Browns board. Colt McCoy is ALMOST as good as Big Ben.

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                            • Jooser
                              Legend
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 5102

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Snatch98
                              It's because he's not a feature back. I love the guy but he's not a carry the load kind of runner. We're certainly going to use a heavy committee approach, especially if they draft a guy like James in round 2. Comparing him to Trent Richardson is also one of the craziest things I've read on a website in a while. It's something you'd read on a Browns board. Colt McCoy is ALMOST as good as Big Ben.
                              Exactly my point Snatch.
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                              • Shawn
                                Legend
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 15131

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Sugar
                                Richardson will probably be the best starting back in the division. Redman will only start because Mendenhall is injured and will probably be the worst starting RB in the division- even though he's a good player.

                                Exactly. I suspect Richardson will be the best RB in the AFC in very short order. Redman couldn't even get significant PT behind Mendenhall.
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