Neil Rackers Really Doesn't Like Haley

[pittpete]

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Did they hire him for his charm or his offensive football knowledge?
Who cares if other players didnt like him or bad mouth him.
Only one way we're going to find out what Haley is all about come September.

[dirt]

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Here's what I don't get. If players had so little respect for Haley in AZ, why was it reported the cardinals were interested in bringing him back?

[Shoe]

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I am NOT comparing Todd Haley to Coughlin. But, most of Coughlin's ex-players HATED him until he won a Super Bowl. Since then, his is called tough, but successful. I am NOT saying it is the same thing. But, there may be some similar circumstances with a tough, opinionated, fiery coach.

No, you're right. So is the other person who said, "that's why AZ is AZ." Players undermining the coaches... me thinks if Coughlin was with a franchise like AZ, he'd have been dumped long before Coughlin got his team to the championship. This year even... he had an average team (in terms of record)... a lot of coaches might've gotten the ax. The Giants stuck with him, and look where they are.

It's a totally legit comparison.

[Steelerphile]

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I am not surprised at all that now there seems to be displeasure about who the Steelers have hired. It is difficult if not impossible to please fans with the OC. I'm sure he'll be ripped before long for his play calling or something else. We'll see if the hate surpasses the Arians level.

That's the problem with hiring a guy who is a retread. He most likely came from some job that he lost through difficult circumstances, and there will be those who didn't like him, there. If you hire someone who never was an OC, then you are not sure what he will do, and the fans are poised to hit him with the IDIOT label maybe quicker.

One observation I would make about a guy like Haley, who never played the game, but somehow rose to become a head coach, he must have a high aptitude for football X's and Os. You don't need to play the game to have that. It reminds me of someone who starts out as a janitor and then becomes the CEO.

Past pain and conflict can also serve to educate and mellow someone personally. So he should have grown from all of his experiences.

[BackwoodsSteeler]

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So Rackers says the O threw a party after he left but then in an article posted in another thread here, Warner says he was, and remains close to Haley.

So which is it?

[AngryAsian]

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Not trying to pee on anyone's corn flakes here, but after reading thread after thread of panic stricken posters' negative opinions if our new OC... I have to chuckle. His "style" of coaching is a non-issue because he has superiors that will make him accountable. The ownership of this great franchise (along with respected football talent evaluators like Parcells and Pioli) have a better track record for these sort of decisions than a moron kicker. But regardless of the simple logic that has been so nicely presented by others on this board, by all means.... continue the panic.

[Shawn]

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The players liking the coach is irrelevant to me. What are the results of the coaching? Sometimes the best bosses are the unpopular ones.

[Shawn]

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my only concern about haley is it's possible his success is more the result of Kurt Warner than his play calling. I'm sure that's a factor, but ultimately I don't think it is the case. I believe Haley is well respected. As for whether he's personally a douche - at this point, I'm not convinced having an 'in your face' douche is bad for the offense right now. I believe (for many reasons) the offense underachieved last year. Let's see if haley can light a fire under their butts.

And we have a winner!

[RuthlessBurgher]

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So Rackers says the O threw a party after he left but then in an article posted in another thread here, Warner says he was, and remains close to Haley.

So which is it?

Haley & Warner > Haley & Rackers

Haley & Roethlisberger > Haley & Suisham

Everest & Suisham > Everest & Roethlisberger

[steelz09]

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I have the same concern as most about Haley... in that he's got into heated arguments with his players.

HOWEVER, I don't care if the players have a love affair with him. What's most important is that the players respect him.

The players may not be "buddy", "buddy" with Haley but they need to respect him. As a coach, respect is much more important.

[feltdizz]

Re: Neil Rackers Really Doesn't Like Haley

Not trying to pee on anyone's corn flakes here, but after reading thread after thread of panic stricken posters' negative opinions if our new OC... I have to chuckle. His "style" of coaching is a non-issue because he has superiors that will make him accountable. The ownership of this great franchise (along with respected football talent evaluators like Parcells and Pioli) have a better track record for these sort of decisions than a moron kicker. But regardless of the simple logic that has been so nicely presented by others on this board, by all means.... continue the panic.

[Shawn]

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Personally, I could care less if the O is more pass happy or more run happy. What I do care about is an OCs ability to work with the pieces he has been given and create an O around that. What I have seen from Haley is his ability to adjust his O to his talent...rather than trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. This makes me happy.

[Oviedo]

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I have the same concern as most about Haley... in that he's got into heated arguments with his players.

HOWEVER, I don't care if the players have a love affair with him. What's most important is that the players respect him.

The players may not be "buddy", "buddy" with Haley but they need to respect him. As a coach, respect is much more important.

You mean like the "great" Bill Cowher yelling and spitting in the faces of his players but to many he is the type of coach they worship. Haley gets in a players face and he is out of control.

Bottomline is that we are seeing that no OC will ever please Steelers fans. They will always dig up something from the past because everyone plays Madden and therefore there are thousands of great offensive minds.

[grotonsteel]

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I have the same concern as most about Haley... in that he's got into heated arguments with his players.

HOWEVER, I don't care if the players have a love affair with him. What's most important is that the players respect him.

The players may not be "buddy", "buddy" with Haley but they need to respect him. As a coach, respect is much more important.

If they respect the coach they will play for him no matter what.

[grotonsteel]

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I have the same concern as most about Haley... in that he's got into heated arguments with his players.

HOWEVER, I don't care if the players have a love affair with him. What's most important is that the players respect him.

The players may not be "buddy", "buddy" with Haley but they need to respect him. As a coach, respect is much more important.

You mean like the "great" Bill Cowher yelling and spitting in the faces of his players but to many he is the type of coach they worship. Haley gets in a players face and he is out of control.

Bottomline is that we are seeing that no OC will ever please Steelers fans. They will always dig up something from the past because everyone plays Madden and therefore there are thousands of great offensive minds.

I think its all about earning the respect, buying into the system. If players respect him i don't think shouting or getting angry is going to be an issue.

If Todd haley tries to come with my way or highway attitude well i don't think its going to work. Todd Haley is not working with bunch of rookies. He will have to earn the respect and that part will be interesting.