Neil Rackers Really Doesn't Like Haley

[Blitz-en]

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1. Parcells thought enough of Haley, after working with him in New York, to bring him along to Dallas.
2. Pioli thought enough of Haley, after working with him in New York, to bring him along with him to KC. You may not like Pioli, but he at least knew what a good coach looked like after spending time in N.E. with Belichick*, McDaniels, Crennel and Weiss.
3. The Rooney's think he is a good fit.


I have my reservations about the Haley hire. But, the points above give me a little bit of confidence.

A month ago, I decided, if I was in charge, I would: Fire Arians and bring in somebody from the outside that would help Ben and the offense take the next step. Included in that would be an OC that is able to delicately work with Ben and convince him that hard work, film study and a tweak of his style could prolong his career and actually jump him to his ultimate potential as a QB. I say, two down, and one to go. The third wish may be the most difficult.

[Ghost]

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"Here we are, we're honoring Dirt Dawson and J Bulter making the the Hall of Fame, and we're talking about some idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off."

"He may be a good kicker but he's an idiot."

[aggiebones]

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Rackers would call him Sir to his face and ball boy under his covers at home.
He was even acting like a pu$$y while he was saying it.

I'll take Rooney's opinion over those boobs on that 'round table'


Maybe being in a decent organization will give Todd a better cast of people to communicate with.
I seriously doubt Haley had any words with Rackers. What really do ANY coaches say to kickers. Stay off the main field or 'kick over there out of the way'

[LouSteel]

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3. The Rooney's think he is a good fit.

To me, that says it all. PERIOD.

The Rooney's live and breathe football. They know this team from the inside out. If they had even the slightest belief that Haley might be bad for this team, do you think they'd bless the hire? NOT A CHANCE. They're too focused on doing things for the long term good of the franchise.

If the Rooney's believe that Haley is what this team needs, I'll put my full faith in them and in the hire.

[steelblood]

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I am NOT comparing Todd Haley to Coughlin. But, most of Coughlin's ex-players HATED him until he won a Super Bowl. Since then, his is called tough, but successful. I am NOT saying it is the same thing. But, there may be some similar circumstances with a tough, opinionated, fiery coach.

Huge difference between Haley and Coughlin. .

You are an excellent reader.

[7 UP]

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To me the video speaks volumes. Why would you discount anything Rackers says because hes a kicker? He is letting you in on what went on in the Cardinals locker room. No matter what position Rackers played, he was there, we were not. He has no reason at all to lie. I have never, ever, heard anyone who has ever worked for Haley say anything nice about him.

Im not so sure he is such an offensive genius either. The only year he was successful in KC Charlie Weis called the plays. BTW, Charlie Weis hates Haley too. In Arizona, its kind of hard not to be successful when you have Kurt Warrener.

Im willing to give Haley a chance. But this hire has disaster written all over it. The Steelers spend so much time bringing in good locker room guys, that frankly this move is shocking to me. I wouldnt be surprised if Haley dosent make it through his first season. I really hope Im wrong.

[feltdizz]

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Haley has the job so he is going to get a chance to show and prove.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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In Arizona, its kind of hard not to be successful when you have Kurt Warrener.

Kurt Warner was awesome when he first entered the league for St. Louis for 3 years from 99-01...appeared to be on the fast track to the Hall of Fame. Then his career fell off the face of the earth in the 5 years from 2002-2006...he was on 3 different teams and couldn't hold a starting job in any of them (27 TD's and 30 INT's in those 5 years total). Then Todd Haley shows up in the desert in 2007, and magically Warner morphs back into the potential Hall of Fame talent that he was during the Y2K era...he threw the same number of TD's in his first year with Haley than he did in the previous 5 seasons combined (and then improved upon that number and went to the Super Bowl in his second year with Haley).

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To me the video speaks volumes. Why would you discount anything Rackers says because hes a kicker? He is letting you in on what went on in the Cardinals locker room. No matter what position Rackers played, he was there, we were not. He has no reason at all to lie. I have never, ever, heard anyone who has ever worked for Haley say anything nice about him.

Im not so sure he is such an offensive genius either. The only year he was successful in KC Charlie Weis called the plays. BTW, Charlie Weis hates Haley too. In Arizona, its kind of hard not to be successful when you have Kurt Warrener.

Im willing to give Haley a chance. But this hire has disaster written all over it. The Steelers spend so much time bringing in good locker room guys, that frankly this move is shocking to me. I wouldnt be surprised if Haley dosent make it through his first season. I really hope Im wrong.

I not saying Rackers is lieing, I'm saying who cares what Rackers thinks, he is a kicker. Kickers aren't football players, they are kickers. Being that he bumped heads with the OC means he has a problem. Being that he said "we" players refered to him as "ballboy" means Rackers was creating strife in the lockerroom. Whether the players like Haley or not, especially an idiot kicker, should not be the issue. The issue will be whether or not he can get them to execute and score points.

[Snatch98]

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I'm trying to figure out why anyone should care what a NFL kicker thinks about a Coach. I've always viewed the kicker and punter positions as the players most DISCONNECTED from the head coach or coordinator.

[feltdizz]

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In Arizona, its kind of hard not to be successful when you have Kurt Warrener.

Kurt Warner was awesome when he first entered the league for St. Louis for 3 years from 99-01...appeared to be on the fast track to the Hall of Fame. Then his career fell off the face of the earth in the 5 years from 2002-2006...he was on 3 different teams and couldn't hold a starting job in any of them (27 TD's and 30 INT's in those 5 years total). Then Todd Haley shows up in the desert in 2007, and magically Warner morphs back into the potential Hall of Fame talent that he was during the Y2K era...he threw the same number of TD's in his first year with Haley than he did in the previous 5 seasons combined (and then improved upon that number and went to the Super Bowl in his second year with Haley).

I think Kurt Warner with Fitz and company would make most OC's look good. You still have to give Haley credit and I'm excited to see what he does with our weapons.

[7 UP]

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In Arizona, its kind of hard not to be successful when you have Kurt Warrener.

Kurt Warner was awesome when he first entered the league for St. Louis for 3 years from 99-01...appeared to be on the fast track to the Hall of Fame. Then his career fell off the face of the earth in the 5 years from 2002-2006...he was on 3 different teams and couldn't hold a starting job in any of them (27 TD's and 30 INT's in those 5 years total). Then Todd Haley shows up in the desert in 2007, and magically Warner morphs back into the potential Hall of Fame talent that he was during the Y2K era...he threw the same number of TD's in his first year with Haley than he did in the previous 5 seasons combined (and then improved upon that number and went to the Super Bowl in his second year with Haley).

I dont disagree with any of this. However Warrener did have the hand issue in New York. He wasnt fully healthy until he played for the Cardinals. That being said Im not going to totally discount Haley's contributions there. Haley and Kurts relationship was rocky to say the least. But, their offense was exceptional, so I will give Haley his do.

[7 UP]

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In Arizona, its kind of hard not to be successful when you have Kurt Warrener.

Kurt Warner was awesome when he first entered the league for St. Louis for 3 years from 99-01...appeared to be on the fast track to the Hall of Fame. Then his career fell off the face of the earth in the 5 years from 2002-2006...he was on 3 different teams and couldn't hold a starting job in any of them (27 TD's and 30 INT's in those 5 years total). Then Todd Haley shows up in the desert in 2007, and magically Warner morphs back into the potential Hall of Fame talent that he was during the Y2K era...he threw the same number of TD's in his first year with Haley than he did in the previous 5 seasons combined (and then improved upon that number and went to the Super Bowl in his second year with Haley).

I think Kurt Warner with Fitz and company would make most OC's look good. You still have to give Haley credit and I'm excited to see what he does with our weapons.

I do give Haley his due for the success he had in Zona. However, how was the run game during his stint in Zona? Not very good. Its amazing what having the right personnel can do for you.

[feltdizz]

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I don't think the run game was good a runningfame is over rated IMO. Haley went with their strength in AZ.... When he had weapons on the ground in KC the running game was impressive.

I wouldn't be surprised we air it out next year because our OL is horrible in the run game. 2 years from now I expect a better ground game but the pass will still rule.

[7 UP]

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I'm trying to figure out why anyone should care what a NFL kicker thinks about a Coach. I've always viewed the kicker and punter positions as the players most DISCONNECTED from the head coach or coordinator.

Can we please stop this? Rackers is telling you what happened in the Arizona locker room. What the hell difference does it make whether he is a kicker, a coach, a ballboy, or a mouse with a hole in one of the lockers. He was there, we were not. Ill take his word for it. Plus, what he is saying is consistent with everything that everyone else who has ever dealt with Haley has to say.

All of this being said, Im not totally against the hire. I actually do think he is a pretty good offensive mind. But I can tell you right now Ben will not be berated the way Haley has berated other Qbs hes worked with. Could be great, could be a disaster.