Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtner

[feltdizz]

Re: Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtne

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Fitch isn't that guy or Ben would be doing all those things while Fitch was QB coach. That being said... I don't think anyone is going to change how Ben throws the football once the ball is snapped. He prefers contact.... and will wait it out regardless of the play call when he has his mind made up on going deep.

You might be right regarding Ben, but I think if there is no deep option and an authority figure (coach) is having Ben consistently focus on reading the defense and hitting routes with a higher probability of success and that is the daily focus of our game plans he will move more in that direction.

Don't get me wrong, because I don't want to handcuff Ben, but I want to make him more consistent so we can sustain drives with play calling not sandlot football tactics.

but the deep option forces the D to double Wallace... well, it used to but after watching the Pro bowl I think defenders have figured out all you have to do is touch Wallace and he is easily bumped off his route.

I'm not saying not to run the deep route to spread the defense, but on certain plays the route should be run only as a decoy. It should not be in the QB's head that the route is even being run aside from knowing that a corner and a safety will be taken out of the picture.[/quote160l72a]

I'm pretty sure Wallace was the decoy on half the passes last season.

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Re: Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtne

[quote=feltdizz]

Fitch isn't that guy or Ben would be doing all those things while Fitch was QB coach. That being said... I don't think anyone is going to change how Ben throws the football once the ball is snapped. He prefers contact.... and will wait it out regardless of the play call when he has his mind made up on going deep.

You might be right regarding Ben, but I think if there is no deep option and an authority figure (coach) is having Ben consistently focus on reading the defense and hitting routes with a higher probability of success and that is the daily focus of our game plans he will move more in that direction.

Don't get me wrong, because I don't want to handcuff Ben, but I want to make him more consistent so we can sustain drives with play calling not sandlot football tactics.

but the deep option forces the D to double Wallace... well, it used to but after watching the Pro bowl I think defenders have figured out all you have to do is touch Wallace and he is easily bumped off his route.

I'm not saying not to run the deep route to spread the defense, but on certain plays the route should be run only as a decoy. It should not be in the QB's head that the route is even being run aside from knowing that a corner and a safety will be taken out of the picture.

I'm pretty sure Wallace was the decoy on half the passes last season.[/quote8s8n1g]

But I wonder on how many of those plays he ended being a consideration?

[feltdizz]

Re: Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtne

I have no idea but I bet a few sacks, hits and incompletions were due to Ben looking at Wallace instead of hitting Mend quickly in the flat.

I think the flats are severely under used by Ben and this is where I think Mend would show his worth.

[Slapstick]

Re: Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtne

Whose complaints? My complaints regarding Ben is that he doesn't focus on taking advantage of what's given him by the defense, and he tries to make every play the big play. We need to focus on timing routes to the outside to open up the middle and use quick hitting slant patterns to get first downs. Ben wants to take 7 step drops and hit 30 yard passes on every play, and Arians called those plays because that is what Ben wanted. Ben holding the ball too long is due to the fact that receivers aren't making their breaks until 15 yards down field. Arians wasn't calling plays for the Steelers, he was calling plays for Ben.

And you obviously didn't read what I wrote about why Kordell was unsuccessful with Gilbride. Just because you read "square peg, round hole" somewhere doesn't mean you have to write it everytime, but basically I said as much. Kordell needed someone to call plays that fit him, Gilbride forced his system to a guy who couldn't execute it. An ally would have worked with Kordell to build a system that Kordell would be successful in.

Whose complaints? I'm sorry...I thought you read this board...

On most of the plays like those on your list, Ben usually had another option open in a shorter distance that he either didn't see or chose to ignore...How often was Heath Miller running free?...That is why I advocate for a different QB coach...one that does not have a pre-existing relationship with Roethlisberger...

I guess we just have different definitions of "ally". I thought someone who designed an offense around the strengths of his players was called an "offensive coordinator"...

Oh, and I use the square peg/round hole analogy because it is a common analogy in the English language...

[mazze]

Re: Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtne

It looks as though Clements is out, Steelers Depot is reporting that the Packers have promoted him to OC.

[Steelhere10]

Re: Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtne

He was never interviewed according to the Pack staff/ media. Whoever came up with that was false!... Like I said Randy is the OC and other interviews are for the QB coach... write it down!

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Re: Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtne

He was never interviewed according to the Pack staff/ media. Whoever came up with that was false!... Like I said Randy is the OC and other interviews are for the QB coach... write it down!

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Iron Shiek]

Re: Steelers OC position down to Clements, Haley and Fichtne

I haven't had a chance to click through all the posts, but has anyone mentioned the fact that John Clayton tweeted a little while ago that Coach Kirby is basically going to be the OC if he recovers okay from the burns. He says that Steelers are basically waiting for him:

[url]https://twitter.com/#!/ClaytonESPN/status/165220581325799424[/url]