Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

You'll just have to trust me on this one. Jerel Worthy will be a special DLman in the NFL. You don't have to be 350# to play NT.

here is WalterFootball's scouting report on Jerel Worthy, they seem to think he would make a better 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE than NT:


2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Jerel Worthy

By Charlie Campbell



Jerel Worthy, 6-3/310

Defensive Tackle

Michigan State


Strengths:

Quick get-off
Speed to shoot the gap
Ability to collapse the pocket
Quality pad level
Bulk to hold ground against drive blockers
Strength to shed blocks
Can take over games and dominate for stretches
Durable, experienced 3-year starter
Passionate player who was devoted to his team

Weaknesses:

Lacks elite characteristics
Not consistent
Disappears at times
Needs to refine pass-rushing moves for NFL guards
Conditioning needs to improve
Bigger reputation than actual production

Summary: Worthy has been one of the better defensive tackles in the Big Ten over the past couple of seasons. In 2010, he notched 40 tackles with eight tackles for a loss and four sacks. Heading into the 2011 season, Worthy was in the running to be the top defensive tackle in the nation. However, he had an inconsistent season, and other defensive tackles passed him, like Penn State's Devon Still. Worthy had 3.5 sacks with 30 tackles, 10.5 tackles for a loss and two blocked kicks in 2011.

There were stretches in games where Worthy was utterly dominant. When he took on Wisconsin in two games, he would be blocked well for a portion of the game, before wrecking havoc in the backfield for a quarter. Worthy had underwhelming performances against Nebraska, Iowa and Notre Dame. He had a superb showing against Ohio State, and ended his career well against Georgia. Versus the Bulldogs, Worthy got the better of the matchup against Georgia center Ben Jones, a second-day prospect.

Worthy looks like he would be best as a one-gap penetrator in a 4-3 defense. He could play the three-technique in a Tampa-2 defense that requires a quick tackle to fire through the gap. Worthy is at his best when he is trying to get into the backfield to make plays. At the same time, Worthy is a quality run defender at the line of scrimmage. He holds his ground and doesn't get pushed around.

While Worthy probably is a better fit in a 4-3 defense, he could play the five-technique as an end in a 3-4. His ability to hold his ground could set the edge and free up outside linebackers. However, that may not be the best use of his talents.

Player Comparison: Rocky Bernard. Worthy will definitely be drafted ahead of where Bernard went. In the 2002 NFL Draft, Bernard was a fifth-round pick of the Seahawks. That turned out to be an excellent selection, as Bernard has gone to have a successful career with Seattle and the Giants. Even though Worthy will go higher, he has a similar skill set to Bernard and could have a comparable career. Bernard has averaged three sacks per season with an abnormal 8.5 sacks in 2005.

NFL Matches: Denver, New York Giants, Minnesota, St. Louis, Seattle, New Orleans, Carolina

Worthy could fit just about any 4-3 defense that is in need of a defensive tackle. Denver could use a tackle who can push the pocket and take out quarterbacks who try to step up to avoid an edge rush. Minnesota and St. Louis could both use some youth on the interior of their lines. Seattle needs to upgrade their interior pass rush. The Giants are always looking to add to their defensive front, and Worthy could be Bernard's replacement.

The Saints have veterans on the inside of their line, but could use some long-term answers. While Carolina used picks on tackles last year, they both were injured so the Panthers need more at the position for an effective rotation and depth. Worthy could be a quality second-round pick for any of those seven teams.

[url="http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012jworthy.php"]http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingr ... worthy.php[/url]

I have heard this all year about him....

----Not consistent
----Disappears at times

And when I saw him play that is exactly what I saw too.

Seriously guys this is one to stay away from.

Do we wan to spend a first rounder if that is a tag he wears? No way Jose!

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

many of the same fans didn't notice foster having a steady year RG either dub. Sucks out loud was mentioned earlier today.

last year we were told that trading up for a G was foolhardy, but now its all the rage.

I would be ecstatic with glenn at 24 because we do need an upgrade there. However as I said last year, you can win a lot of football games without 1st rounders at those positions.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

many of the same fans didn't notice foster having a steady year RG either dub. Sucks out loud was mentioned earlier today.

last year we were told that trading up for a G was foolhardy, but now its all the rage.

I would be ecstatic with glenn at 24 because we do need an upgrade there. However as I said last year, you can win a lot of football games without 1st rounders at those positions.

I agree with you Eddie. I think both Legursky and Foster did well this past year. Are they pro Bowlers? No...but they showed they could be better than average. And how much better would they be if they were surrounded by 3 possible pro bowlers (Glenn, Pouncey, and Gilbert)?

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

we are drinking from the same cup of kool-aid my friend.

[steeler_george]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

[url="http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012_1.php"]http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012_1.php[/url] has:

at 24 us taking Hightower

at 30 SF taking Glenn

at 35 vikings taking Poe

at 49 chargers taking Osemele

at 56 us taking Ta'amu at 56

Just wondering if the draft actually goes down like this, having Glenn (35) and Poe (35) still on the board, would you drop back in the draft and get more picks? and then trade back up and get more players in the second.

I been a fan of doing this for many years, but I think this is the year to do it, since we have issues at depth and need to upgrade along the OL and at NT, not to mention still need to get more talent to push the starters and build for the future.

Don't think it will happen but just say:

Glenn,
Osemele ( for some reason I like what I read about him )
Poe or Ta'amu

I would say it was a great draft.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

I doubt Cordy Glenn will be around when we pick at #24.

I am thinking OL definately, perhaps Peter Konz.

ChucktownSteeler

[papillon]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

Jerel Worthy

Weaknesses:

Lacks elite characteristics
Not consistent
Disappears at times
Needs to refine pass-rushing moves for NFL guards
Conditioning needs to improve
Bigger reputation than actual production

Aren't these correctable? Lacks elite characteristics and bigger reputation are irrelevant weaknesses and I'm not even sure what they mean. Not consistent, disappears, refining pass rushing moves are seem to be issues that a coach should be able to correct.


Strengths:

Quick get-off
Speed to shoot the gap
Ability to collapse the pocket
Quality pad level
Bulk to hold ground against drive blockers
Strength to shed blocks
Can take over games and dominate for stretches
Durable, experienced 3-year starter
Passionate player who was devoted to his team

Many of these strengths are innate gifts that can't be taught, speed, quickness and power. Then adding coachable qualities that he already has, pad level, good anchor, sheds blocks it seems the good outweighs the bad easily.

It seems he could be a good selection for the Steelers.

Pappy

[Oviedo]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

[quote=Dee Dub]

many of the same fans didn't notice foster having a steady year RG either dub. Sucks out loud was mentioned earlier today.

last year we were told that trading up for a G was foolhardy, but now its all the rage.

I would be ecstatic with glenn at 24 because we do need an upgrade there. However as I said last year, you can win a lot of football games without 1st rounders at those positions.

I agree with you Eddie. I think both Legursky and Foster did well this past year. Are they pro Bowlers? No...but they showed they could be better than average. And how much better would they be if they were surrounded by 3 possible pro bowlers (Glenn, Pouncey, and Gilbert)?[/quote:1f67b5qm]

I guess all that pressure up the middle and the inability to get one yard up the middle was just an illusion. Starks and Gilbert both far exceeded Legursky and Foster. Our short yardage issues are squarely because we have substandard Guards who get pushed and don't get any push.

But I'm sure I'm just a hater because Legs and Foster are UDFAs...waiting to hear that in 3...2....1...

[grotonsteel]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

[quote=Oviedo]

many of the same fans didn't notice foster having a steady year RG either dub. Sucks out loud was mentioned earlier today.

last year we were told that trading up for a G was foolhardy, but now its all the rage.

I would be ecstatic with glenn at 24 because we do need an upgrade there. However as I said last year, you can win a lot of football games without 1st rounders at those positions.

I agree with you Eddie. I think both Legursky and Foster did well this past year. Are they pro Bowlers? No...but they showed they could be better than average. And how much better would they be if they were surrounded by 3 possible pro bowlers (Glenn, Pouncey, and Gilbert)?

I guess all that pressure up the middle and the inability to get one yard up the middle was just an illusion. Starks and Gilbert both far exceeded Legursky and Foster. Our short yardage issues are squarely because we have substandard Guards who get pushed and don't get any push.

But I'm sure I'm just a hater because Legs and Foster are UDFAs...waiting to hear that in 3...2....1...[/quote:5aksxvy1]



Legs and Foster are serviceable at best. They are good backups.

If ARII wants to return to "blue collar offense" maybe they need to start investing in O-line for a change.

Colbert and company have failed to draft good O-line in later rounds of the drafts. So i am hoping for 2 O-line picks in first 3 rds.

[Flasteel]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

[quote=Dee Dub]

I love DeCastro as well however if I can get a bonafide blue chip LT I go there first.

Glenn--Legursky--Pouncey--Foster--Gilbert

That doesnt look to bad to me.

Gilbert - Glenn - Pouncey - Legursky/Foster - Colon looks better to me

Interesting…you would want the team’s best LT to play LG, the team’s best RT to play LT, the team’s best pulling guard to play away from that at RG, and a guy who hasn’t played much of anything at all the past two years to come back and play RT?

That doesn't sound too goo d to me.

I have news for you guys...the Steelers are very pleased with Legursky at LG because he can get out in front and pull. He did a pretty solid job there this year. But I guess many fans didn't notice that?[/quote:2qju1uzm]

With all due respect to your acumen on the subject, everything I've read on Glenn suggests that he is a far better guard than tackle. I don't know jack about the guy, other than what I read, but that's what I read.

It seems the team has pretty much put it out there that Gilbert is the future at LT and that Colon is coming back to compete at RT. I think you'll see an early camp battle between Starks and Gilbert at LT, then the deposed Starks would duke it out with Colon for the RT spot. Certainly there's room for improvement, but 3 pretty good candidates for the 2 starting tackle spots and swing guy.

I believe the biggest need is obviously at guard...despite your assertions to the contrary. Kemo is gone, Legursky is solid but not close to the road-grader we need (and he's always hurt), and Foster is steady but unspectacular in every regard. Feel free to toss Essex into the equation, but it does your argument no good.

So if guard is our biggest need, then why would you draft a guy who is a better guard than he is a tackle, and not try to use this skill set to address our weakest point on the offensive line?

That doesn't sound too good to me.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

foster was credited with 3 sacks this year by the site we can't name.

that's not bad, but lets keep bashing this kid because it fits your agenda.

[steeler_george]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

Glenn sounds like the logical OL to select, he has player flexibility. He can play tackle, but regarded by some as a better guard.

As of now our OL are, asssuming Kemo is cut and Starks unsigned:

Gilbert-LEG-Pouncey-Foster-Colon

reserves: ?,?,?,? bunch of no names...
Tackles Meridith, Turner,J.scott
Guards Malecki, C.Scott, Essex(?)


Adding Glenn and putting him at Guard will allow Foster/LEGS to be the legit swingC-G.
Or having him as the next in line for Tackle.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

[quote=Flasteel]

I love DeCastro as well however if I can get a bonafide blue chip LT I go there first.

Glenn--Legursky--Pouncey--Foster--Gilbert

That doesnt look to bad to me.

Gilbert - Glenn - Pouncey - Legursky/Foster - Colon looks better to me

Interesting…you would want the team’s best LT to play LG, the team’s best RT to play LT, the team’s best pulling guard to play away from that at RG, and a guy who hasn’t played much of anything at all the past two years to come back and play RT?

That doesn't sound too goo d to me.

I have news for you guys...the Steelers are very pleased with Legursky at LG because he can get out in front and pull. He did a pretty solid job there this year. But I guess many fans didn't notice that?

With all due respect to your acumen on the subject, everything I've read on Glenn suggests that he is a far better guard than tackle. I don't know jack about the guy, other than what I read, but that's what I read.

It seems the team has pretty much put it out there that Gilbert is the future at LT and that Colon is coming back to compete at RT. I think you'll see an early camp battle between Starks and Gilbert at LT, then the deposed Starks would duke it out with Colon for the RT spot. Certainly there's room for improvement, but 3 pretty good candidates for the 2 starting tackle spots and swing guy.

I believe the biggest need is obviously at guard...despite your assertions to the contrary. Kemo is gone, Legursky is solid but not close to the road-grader we need (and he's always hurt), and Foster is steady but unspectacular in every regard. Feel free to toss Essex into the equation, but it does your argument no good.

So if guard is our biggest need, then why would you draft a guy who is a better guard than he is a tackle, and not try to use this skill set to address our weakest point on the offensive line?

That doesn't sound too good to me. [/quote:3pzw5i59]

With my own eyes I've seen Glenn dominate all year at LT in the SEC. Then he goes to the Senior Bowl and dominates the likes of Coples, Upshaw, and Ingram. The three best pass rushers in this draft. Why anyone would want to put Glenn at guard when he is dominate at a more elite position is beyond me. Again, when I see Glenn I see a pretty close comparison to Orlando Pace. Would you have put Pace at guard?

But it doesnt matter Glenn will be long gone before pick #24.

[Oviedo]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

[quote=Dee Dub][quote=Flasteel]

I love DeCastro as well however if I can get a bonafide blue chip LT I go there first.

Glenn--Legursky--Pouncey--Foster--Gilbert

That doesnt look to bad to me.

Gilbert - Glenn - Pouncey - Legursky/Foster - Colon looks better to me

Interesting…you would want the team’s best LT to play LG, the team’s best RT to play LT, the team’s best pulling guard to play away from that at RG, and a guy who hasn’t played much of anything at all the past two years to come back and play RT?

That doesn't sound too goo d to me.

I have news for you guys...the Steelers are very pleased with Legursky at LG because he can get out in front and pull. He did a pretty solid job there this year. But I guess many fans didn't notice that?

With all due respect to your acumen on the subject, everything I've read on Glenn suggests that he is a far better guard than tackle. I don't know jack about the guy, other than what I read, but that's what I read.

It seems the team has pretty much put it out there that Gilbert is the future at LT and that Colon is coming back to compete at RT. I think you'll see an early camp battle between Starks and Gilbert at LT, then the deposed Starks would duke it out with Colon for the RT spot. Certainly there's room for improvement, but 3 pretty good candidates for the 2 starting tackle spots and swing guy.

I believe the biggest need is obviously at guard...despite your assertions to the contrary. Kemo is gone, Legursky is solid but not close to the road-grader we need (and he's always hurt), and Foster is steady but unspectacular in every regard. Feel free to toss Essex into the equation, but it does your argument no good.

So if guard is our biggest need, then why would you draft a guy who is a better guard than he is a tackle, and not try to use this skill set to address our weakest point on the offensive line?

That doesn't sound too good to me. [/quote:3i9eugvg]

With my own eyes I've seen Glenn dominate all year at LT in the SEC. Then he goes to the Senior Bowl and dominates the likes of Coples, Upshaw, and Ingram. The three best pass rushers in this draft. Why anyone would want to put Glenn at guard when he is dominate at a more elite position is beyond me. Again, when I see Glenn I see a pretty close comparison to Orlando Pace. Would you have put Pace at guard?

But it doesnt matter Glenn will be long gone before pick #24.[/quote:3i9eugvg]

Highly unlikely we get Glenn which likely means another season of mediocre Guard play and blaming the RBs and new OC for failure to have a consistent offense.

[focosteeler]

Re: Cordy Glenn is the real deal!!

Just because we might not get Glenn doesn't mean we won't have an oppourtunity to draft some guys that could really help us.

Brandon Washington, Miami in the 2nd....Lucas Nix from Pitt in the 3rd. I think they would both be good upgrades for us upfront. And with no lockout this summer they should be able to win a starting spot in camp so we could have a consistant group in place all season