Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

[steelz09]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Just really poor timing on Pouncey's part.

[pittpete]

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Not defending his tweets, but we are talking about 22 year olds here.
22 year old millionaires.
How many 22 year old millionaires do you know or even converse with in your lifetime.
Stop reaching fellas.
We lost because the Broncos wanted it more.

[JAR]

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Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

[Chadman]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

How has Tebow forced his opinion on anyone? People are free to criticize him for his faith, but Tebow has not "forced" his opinion on anyone. The MEDIA is the driving force behind that feeling. Likewise, Pouncey did not "force" his opinion on anyone, they were directed at his "followers" but they were still socially, ethically and morally inapproriate, i.e. not normally acceptable social behavior.

I wouldn't fault Pouncey if he was espousing his belief system on his Twitter account or if ESPN published an article on his faith practices. Pouncey has the right to say anything he wants to say, but he also opens himself to severe criticism for tweeting what he did, much like Mendenhall did last year. I am certainly not arguing his freedom of speech, but his choice of words and mocking of his "followers" was not a smart decision, IMO. He may overall be a great guy, but he didn't show it with those tweets.

Not trying to pick a fight with you Leb, but Tebow knows he's on national/international television. The world is watching. When he goes down on one knee, the world is watching.

Some people will find this wonderful..


But other religious people, followers of differing religions, and even some Christians may find the idea of 'praying' during a football game apalling. Some will say he's asking for greater guidance, or whatever...but do you really think the world doesn't just believe he's saying "please let me win..."

He might not be 'evangelising', but he sure as Hell...well, you know..knows that he's being watched.

Subliminal 'forcing' perhaps?

Chadman agrees with one point though- it is certainly media driven. If they stopped showing it, Chadman wonders if he'd still do it though?

[Lebsteel]

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Chadman...no worries. Good questions but I dont think he started kneeling down in prayer because the cameras were rollling. At least I would hope that isnt what is driving him. If he is praying for God to let him win then IMO that is wrong. I dont think God cares about who wins or loses but rather how we conduct ourselves i.e. our character.

Ok....now the serious question. When will we see your first mock draft?

[Chadman]

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Chadman...no worries. Good questions but I dont think he started kneeling down in prayer because the cameras were rollling. At least I would hope that isnt what is driving him. If he is praying for God to let him win then IMO that is wrong. I dont think God cares about who wins or loses but rather how we conduct ourselves i.e. our character.

Ok....now the serious question. When will we see your first mock draft?

Mock will be coming...but Chadman thinks he might revise the Steeler Draft Synopsis type thread from a couple of years ago first...to see if we can find patterns to follow in the lead-up to draft day...

[bostonsteeler]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

+1 a few times over.

Pouncey's barely a kid and like all immature young kids will say the odd stupid thing. But he said it in *his* house, so to speak.

On the other hand Tebow is intensely annoying. His constant Christian pratter in what are otherwise inappropriate venues really bothers me, and Im not an atheist.

[phillyesq]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Before boarding the plane to come home, he showed that he was so upset by this loss that he needed to promote some rapper. He got called out on it, and responded to his fans that he's superior to them because he's young and rich and has more twitter followers.

Pouncey is young and dumb, no question, and I suppose he gets a bit of a pass based on the youthful part of the equation. The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

[Slapstick]

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The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that Twitter is somehow a true indication of someone's character. It's a snapshot of 140 characters or less at a single moment in time.

I don't hate Tebow. He seems to walk the walk, so to speak, in addition to talking the talk. But, I can see why people would be annoyed by him just like they would Pouncey. Both came off as sanctimonious and, pardon the expression, holier-than-thou.

[Chadman]

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Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Hey Philly,

The point is, it doesn't matter if Pouncey's twitters/tweets...whatever they are...are profound & full of great inspiration & wisdom. It's his account. You need to actively chase his account to see what he has to say. It's not rammed down your throat, so to speak. If he wants to spend his post-game moments promoting a rapper- that's his choice. Should he have? Obviously, in most opinions, probably not- but it's HIS Twitter account to do with as he wishes. If you don't like what he has to say...you can simply not follow it.

The Tebow comparison comes in because unlike Pouncey, we DON'T get an opportunity to stop following it. If you are an NFL fan, and you watch any game involving Denver, you will be subjected to images of Tebow doing his 'thing'. It's a national..international...stage that involves more than Tim Tebow. Fans of the Denver Broncos have a choice- they can watch Tebow's actions if they like it or not...or stop watching the Broncos.

Pouncey's tweets do not effect the greater NFL watching community.

Chadman may not have explained this as clearly as he wished...but it's late, and Chadman's right...so just go with it, ok?

[phillyesq]

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Chadman may not have explained this as clearly as he wished...but it's late, and Chadman's right...so just go with it, ok?

Well, over here, it's early, and I'm a bit cranky, but we can agree to disagree.

[feltdizz]

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Stupid tweet.

About as stupid as claiming he took himself out of a game for a tummy ache, IMO.

Stupid tweet but it doesn't reflect his work ethic or his dedication or prep for games.

Sometimes people forget this is a game and it's their job. It's not their life. Referencing old school players toughness is stupid IMO. Most of the old players regret playing through injuries or they are suing the NFL because of their health.

[feltdizz]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Before boarding the plane to come home, he showed that he was so upset by this loss that he needed to promote some rapper. He got called out on it, and responded to his fans that he's superior to them because he's young and rich and has more twitter followers.

Pouncey is young and dumb, no question, and I suppose he gets a bit of a pass based on the youthful part of the equation. The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

Not sure how tweeting about a rapper shows he doesn't care about the game. Sure he is frustrated but he didn't play and usually when a person doesn't suit up they have to let go of the emotions they would have if they were playing or they would go crazy on the sideline.

It was stupid from a PR angle but in the scheme of things it's not that serious. I think fans are upset and will do anything they can to express their frustration.

If Pouncey said he was frustrated by the loss and left it at that someone would still question why he wasn't playing.

[feltdizz]

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Not trying to pick a fight with you Leb, but Tebow knows he's on national/international television. The world is watching. When he goes down on one knee, the world is watching.

Some people will find this wonderful..


But other religious people, followers of differing religions, and even some Christians may find the idea of 'praying' during a football game apalling. Some will say he's asking for greater guidance, or whatever...but do you really think the world doesn't just believe he's saying "please let me win..."

He might not be 'evangelising', but he sure as Hell...well, you know..knows that he's being watched.

Subliminal 'forcing' perhaps?

Chadman agrees with one point though- it is certainly media driven. If they stopped showing it, Chadman wonders if he'd still do it though?

I'll never forget Reggie White going to the team that offered him the most money because "God" wanted him to go there....

As soon as his career was over Reggie White seemed to wake up from his Christianity and his faith went in a whole new direction.

I'm not saying Tebow will switch up but he knows what he is doing and he is making money off of it. Nothing wrong with it but plenty of NFL players love God and the fans who love Tebow and what he stands for seem to forget that.

For some reason Tebow is portrayed like he loves God more then we do, prays harder than the rest of us and brings more to the table then other athletes because of it.

I've seen Tebow Gator clap opponents and fans. I've seen him do what over players do after plays.. scream, cheer fist pump. However when he does it there is a Jesus angle that other players can't get to... when they fist pump or get the crowd going it's showboating or selfishness. When Tebow does it it's inspiration.

I don't mind Tebow as a football player but the way some people talk about him he is taking on a religious cult like figure. It's a little odd and scary if you ask me.

[JAR]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman agrees with Slapstick & JAR- he's free to his opinion & how he chooses to express it- PARTICULARLY on his twitter account, which you need to FOLLOW to see it.

Tebow's pro-Christianity 'thing' is not something you are required to 'follow'- he promotes it, without a lot of people's consent, on a National (heck- International) stage, before the media.

It might seem harmless- particularly to Christians, but in a world that has so many differing beliefs, he IS 'forcing' his opinions on others, even if they seem harmless & moralistic. You want to be a Christian? Awesome- do it for yourself, not the media.

Pouncey's tweets might be dumb, they might be considered profane, but if someone hadn't shown Chadman the link, Chadman would never have known about it. It would never have bothered me in the slightest. But as a watcher of NFL games, one cannot escape Tebow's opinion, can they?

Tebowism is being shoved in our face everywhere, it's almost unavoidable. Even today, the mayor of Pittsburgh had to Tebow as part of his lost bet with the Denver mayor...give me a freaking break.

Can one of you enlighten me as to the great message that Pouncey was trying to convey? Read what he wrote, and please, tell me how his asinine comments had anything to do with expressing any viewpoint or belief? And please, explain to me how it is at all analagous to anything that Tim Tebow says or does.

Before boarding the plane to come home, he showed that he was so upset by this loss that he needed to promote some rapper. He got called out on it, and responded to his fans that he's superior to them because he's young and rich and has more twitter followers.

Pouncey is young and dumb, no question, and I suppose he gets a bit of a pass based on the youthful part of the equation. The unfortunate part of twitter is that you see atheletes expressing who they really are, and he seems to be a selfish turd who cares about nothing more than his bank account.

How does Pouncey promoting a band on his pretty much private Twitter account make him less of a team player than Tebow constantly promoting God or Jesus on a national stage?

It seems Tebow is more concerned about pleasing Jesus than he is his team.