Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

[JTP53609]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Again, why do some grown men "stalk" other grown men to read what they say. I had no idea that Pouncey said anything. Game ended, we lost, time to move on and discuss next season. Pouncey can say whatever he wants, anytime he wants.

I hope no one is offended by this but really guys get a life. Go play with your kids or take your wife out to dinner. None of these players give a damn what we think or say on this message board so why do some hang on their every word and take it like Moses bringing the tablets down from the mountain (not trying to start a Tebow religious discussion either) and try to analyze the deeper meaning?

I for one do not have any tweeter account or facebook, my cell phone only calls people and I get 250 texts a month. I just read it in the paper and thought it was a stupid thing to say, and I was not going to chime in until I read people comparing what he did to what tebow does, yes this topic got out of hand..

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

If you like Tebow so much...

...why don't you marry him?!?

Uh-oh...Jack Lambert is my favoritist player of all-time...

...I suppose this means I have to marry him...

...I have to say, I find it to be more than a little intimidating when I think about making the "proposal."

[JAR]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.

Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

Kind of like when my father in law told us quite a few years ago that we should start going to church and then in his next move, he went on a racially slurred tirade.

[Chadman]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Let me say that somehow thinking that twitter is some "private club" where only those who apply for membership are involved is a little bit naive.

After Santonio told fans on twitter to go kill themselves, how many defended him by saying "that's okay, only those Steelers fans who signed up to his twitter account can be told to kill themselves, it was a private moment between Santonio and his inner circle"?

After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

Twitter is public! If you can go to a website, type in a couple of letters and click, and then you are able to follow the opinions of a stranger who you only want to follow because of his public status, then this is a public forum.

Good points Steelers Fan.

Just a question- when you sign in to Twitter, sign in to whatever the NFL twitter page is...what do you expect to find on there?

When you turn the TV on to watch the football, what do you expect to find there?


This has been the point of the comparison between Pouncey & Tebow. Twitter might be 'public' if you like- but you sign in to Twitter to see what? The words & opinions of whoever writes in, right? And if you 'follow' an athlete on twitter, you do so looking to see what he has to say for himself, right? It may be a public forum, but the purpose of twitter is for people to read the posts of whoever writes in.

When you turn on the football on tv- do you expect to get religion instead?

The point of the comparison?

No point people whinging & being upset because you don't agree with what Pouncey is saying on Twitter, if what you go there for is to read what he has to say. By doing so, the 'follower' subjects himself to whatever Pouncey might tweet, regardless of how dumb it may be. But it should not be a surprise, and if you truly value that person's views on twitter, surely you respect that there will be the occasional difference of opinion, without Pouncey having to fear a backlash for what he says.

you go to twitter to see what he & other NFL stars (or whoever...up to you) have to say. It's the purpose of Twitter, right? So how can people, in all seriousness, be upset that he wrote 'naughty words' to a couple of guys for bagging him for posting something he wanted to post?

On the other hand, people might have a legit reason to be upset that they tuned in to watch the football but instead heard Tebow thanking Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit & whoever else he may pray to. That isn't why they turned the TV on, is it? It's unexpected. And yes- because he chooses to say these things on TV, on a football program, he's 'ramming it down your throat', even if you agree with him, or feel it's well intentioned. The messege ISN'T the point, it's the forum that is the point.

Hell, Tebow might actually be a saint. He might cure cancer with kind words & doves may make nests in his hair.

But if people feel that he's pushing his religion upon them inappropriately while trying to watch football- they have a point. Do the media make it worse? Absolutely. But Tebow certainly doesn't do anything to put a stop to that.

Here's the crux of it- if Tebow wanted to let the galaxy know of his religious views, and did it in the appropraite forum, like his own TV show about religion, for example, there's no problem. If you watch it- you get what you expected, right? If Pouncey got on camera after the Steelers lost & said go listen to (insert rappers name here), and followed it up with "you all wish you had my life, blah blah"- that would be inappropriate, because it would be him forcing his opinion on to you in the incorrect forum.

After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

You obviously didn't read what Chadman had to say about the backlash then. In a world where we are encouraged to accept that people have differing views, just make sure that if yours isn't the same as the masses that you sure as hell keep quiet about it....

[Chadman]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

Hey Leb...we meet again on this one huh?

If you don't mind, instead of Chadman re-writing it, just read the response above to Steelers Fan...most of the points are in there.

Did Chadman question Tebow's motives? Yes, Chadman did. Got carried away in the heat of it all, unfortunately. Will own up to that one! The original point was, however, not anti-Tebow. However as the discussion became more...heated...there was a definate change in course of the debate!

The last paragraph, about knowing Tebow's heart, etc- is irrelevant. In fact, if you argue that we don't know Tebow's heart, you MUST argue you don't know Pouncey's either, right?

And if we do that- we should all just go on supporting Pouncey without anyone lowering their opinion of him" as some have suggested"!!

[JAR]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Let me say that somehow thinking that twitter is some "private club" where only those who apply for membership are involved is a little bit naive.

After Santonio told fans on twitter to go kill themselves, how many defended him by saying "that's okay, only those Steelers fans who signed up to his twitter account can be told to kill themselves, it was a private moment between Santonio and his inner circle"?

After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

Twitter is public! If you can go to a website, type in a couple of letters and click, and then you are able to follow the opinions of a stranger who you only want to follow because of his public status, then this is a public forum.

Good points Steelers Fan.

Just a question- when you sign in to Twitter, sign in to whatever the NFL twitter page is...what do you expect to find on there?

When you turn the TV on to watch the football, what do you expect to find there?


This has been the point of the comparison between Pouncey & Tebow. Twitter might be 'public' if you like- but you sign in to Twitter to see what? The words & opinions of whoever writes in, right? And if you 'follow' an athlete on twitter, you do so looking to see what he has to say for himself, right? It may be a public forum, but the purpose of twitter is for people to read the posts of whoever writes in.

When you turn on the football on tv- do you expect to get religion instead?

The point of the comparison?

No point people whinging & being upset because you don't agree with what Pouncey is saying on Twitter, if what you go there for is to read what he has to say. By doing so, the 'follower' subjects himself to whatever Pouncey might tweet, regardless of how dumb it may be. But it should not be a surprise, and if you truly value that person's views on twitter, surely you respect that there will be the occasional difference of opinion, without Pouncey having to fear a backlash for what he says.

you go to twitter to see what he & other NFL stars (or whoever...up to you) have to say. It's the purpose of Twitter, right? So how can people, in all seriousness, be upset that he wrote 'naughty words' to a couple of guys for bagging him for posting something he wanted to post?

On the other hand, people might have a legit reason to be upset that they tuned in to watch the football but instead heard Tebow thanking Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit & whoever else he may pray to. That isn't why they turned the TV on, is it? It's unexpected. And yes- because he chooses to say these things on TV, on a football program, he's 'ramming it down your throat', even if you agree with him, or feel it's well intentioned. The messege ISN'T the point, it's the forum that is the point.

Hell, Tebow might actually be a saint. He might cure cancer with kind words & doves may make nests in his hair.

But if people feel that he's pushing his religion upon them inappropriately while trying to watch football- they have a point. Do the media make it worse? Absolutely. But Tebow certainly doesn't do anything to put a stop to that.

Here's the crux of it- if Tebow wanted to let the galaxy know of his religious views, and did it in the appropraite forum, like his own TV show about religion, for example, there's no problem. If you watch it- you get what you expected, right? If Pouncey got on camera after the Steelers lost & said go listen to (insert rappers name here), and followed it up with "you all wish you had my life, blah blah"- that would be inappropriate, because it would be him forcing his opinion on to you in the incorrect forum.

After Mendenhall tweeted that it is sad that Americans are rejoicing in the death of Osama, I did not hear or read on reaction that it is okay because only his twitter followers can read that opinion.

You obviously didn't read what Chadman had to say about the backlash then. In a world where we are encouraged to accept that people have differing views, just make sure that if yours isn't the same as the masses that you sure as hell keep quiet about it....

Bravo!

[Slapstick]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

In my initial response to this thread, I mentioned that I respect Tebow as a person.

I do. He seems to "walk-the-walk" instead of merely talking-the-talk...the anecdote aout the little girl illustrates that perfectly...

But, depending on your point of view, there is little to no difference between what he does and what Pouncey did...

[Lebsteel]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.

Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

Kind of like when my father in law told us quite a few years ago that we should start going to church and then in his next move, he went on a racially slurred tirade.

JAR, I can see how the "religion" of others, like your father in law's example has turned you off. Having that kind of example would taint my perspective as well.

Many times people who profess their faith but do not back it up with how they live are the biggest reasons why others do not want to share that faith.

[Lebsteel]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

Hey Leb...we meet again on this one huh?

If you don't mind, instead of Chadman re-writing it, just read the response above to Steelers Fan...most of the points are in there.

Did Chadman question Tebow's motives? Yes, Chadman did. Got carried away in the heat of it all, unfortunately. Will own up to that one! The original point was, however, not anti-Tebow. However as the discussion became more...heated...there was a definate change in course of the debate!

The last paragraph, about knowing Tebow's heart, etc- is irrelevant. In fact, if you argue that we don't know Tebow's heart, you MUST argue you don't know Pouncey's either, right?

And if we do that- we should all just go on supporting Pouncey without anyone lowering their opinion of him" as some have suggested"!!

I do not know Tebow's heart nor do I know Pouncey's. I can only comment on their actions and the perception that comes with those actions.

I will have to research the names in your mock. Do they play Aussie Rules Football?

[JTP53609]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.

Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

Kind of like when my father in law told us quite a few years ago that we should start going to church and then in his next move, he went on a racially slurred tirade.

JAR, I can see how the "religion" of others, like your father in law's example has turned you off. Having that kind of example would taint my perspective as well.

Many times people who profess their faith but do not back it up with how they live are the biggest reasons why others do not want to share that faith.

your right, the thing that drives me crazy is when I am in the gym and I see a bunch of guys wearing cut offs and they have big crosses tatoos on their arms while at the same time they are using the F word at every chance, talking about people they hate, talking about all the girls working out and how much they would like to bang them and on and on, and I am not fabricating this...Drives me crazy...

[JTP53609]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

See nobody is asking who is a better person, for some reason someone brought Tebow up and things he does and they compared it to be more insulting than what Pouncey said, and like the last million pages of this article said, Tebow does nothing more than what Polamalu does on every play or what some players do before they get interviewed which is thank Jesus. It is not his fault that BSPN wants to mike him up for everything, what are they suppose to say to him, "tim make sure you do not sing religious songs or say anything with Jesus in it".

[JAR]

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So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

See nobody is asking who is a better person, for some reason someone brought Tebow up and things he does and they compared it to be more insulting than what Pouncey said, and like the last million pages of this article said, Tebow does nothing more than what Polamalu does on every play or what some players do before they get interviewed which is thank Jesus. It is not his fault that BSPN wants to mike him up for everything, what are they suppose to say to him, "tim make sure you do not sing religious songs or say anything with Jesus in it".

Yes, it's the reason the thread was started, the OP is insinuating that Pouncey is a problem because he decided to express his feelings on Twitter. That is the entire reason I brought in Tebow. What he does on national TV is fine to some, because they feel if you're a God fearing Christian, well, dagnubbit, you're a good old boy. But if by chance, you express yourself in other ways, you're well, a thug.

[flippy]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

As Chadman suspected, many are mistaking the reason the Tebow comparison was made with some percieved dislike for Tim Tebow. Chadman suggests you read the reason for the comparison again.

It's not an anti-Tebow thread, until some on here percieved it to be.

Chad, really? It started out with the intent as you suggest but it definitely went down the anti-Tebow path with several posters i.e. "Tebow is ramming his religion down our throats..." You even suggested his Tebowing has ulterior motives.

Neither you nor I can truly know his heart. You lean on the skeptical side and I like to believe his reasons have nothing to do with the camera being on him. I think we all could learn a lot from a guy like him. As others have pointed out he is a refreshing change from today's typical rich, young athlete.

So, because Tebow is constantly shown praying, it makes him a better person than Pouncey just because he used a 'few' words that people don't like?

Kind of like when my father in law told us quite a few years ago that we should start going to church and then in his next move, he went on a racially slurred tirade.

JAR, I can see how the "religion" of others, like your father in law's example has turned you off. Having that kind of example would taint my perspective as well.

Many times people who profess their faith but do not back it up with how they live are the biggest reasons why others do not want to share that faith.

your right, the thing that drives me crazy is when I am in the gym and I see a bunch of guys wearing cut offs and they have big crosses tatoos on their arms while at the same time they are using the F word at every chance, talking about people they hate, talking about all the girls working out and how much they would like to bang them and on and on, and I am not fabricating this...Drives me crazy...

Jesus probably dropped F bombs in his day.

For all we know, Pouncey is more religious than Tebow. Religion has nothing to do with professing your faith.

In secular terms, church is a therapist for people that costs them 10% of their salary vs their $10-25 copay. It costs more cause we need more therapy.

The people that have the most faith are typically the biggest F ups on the planet. And that traces back to Biblical times with the transformation of Saul to Paul.

So if you're a non Christian irritated by Christians, don't be. You're probably the better person than we are and you don't have the issues we do. Jesus would be irritated with 99.999% of Christians. Seriously you probably share more in common with him than most church goers.

Ultimately, I think God and religion is about easing our fear of death. And these discussions get a little crazy and people get emotional cause deep down we all fear death to some degree.

And sometimes when I hear religious discussions, I see hear the Christian argument as I'm not afraid to die any more and I don't want you to have that fear either. And then I hear the secular side saying how can you be so confident in that BS made up fairy tale?

Whatever your thoughts on religion - for or against it, they are probably reasonable. And I suspect both sides of the argument have good intentions. So we're all good here. As good as we can be.

And take comfort in knowing you're all better off than your pal Flippy

That part's obvious

[BradshawsHairdresser]

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Flip, I think I'm ahead of you when it comes to sinning. And it's true, that comes irrespective of religion. Check out Jesus' words to the Pharisees (the most religious people of their day).

You made some good points in your post......But I'm sorry, no matter how hard I try, I just can't see Jesus "dropping F-bombs"!

[birtikidis]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Wow, just read this article on the Broncos' QB. How dare he shove his religion down our throats like this? How dare he not celebrate his victory over the Steelers? Instead he spends time after the press conference visiting with a very sick young girl and her mother. He really offends me!

Remember last week, when the world was pulling its hair out in the hour after Tebow had stunned the Pittsburgh Steelers with an 80-yard OT touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas in the playoffs? And Twitter was exploding with 9,420 tweets about Tebow per second? When an ESPN poll was naming him the most popular athlete in America?Tebow was spending that hour talking to 16-year-old Bailey Knaub about her 73 surgeries so far and what TV shows she likes.

"Here he'd just played the game of his life," recalls Bailey's mother, Kathy, of Loveland, Colo., "and the first thing he does after his press conference is come find Bailey and ask, 'Did you get anything to eat?' He acted like what he'd just done wasn't anything, like it was all about Bailey."

[url]http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow[/url]

No wonder people can't stand the guy. If only he'd celebrated his win by getting drunk and smashing his car up, then maybe they could stomach him a bit.

hell if he'd have watched three people stab her to death, commentators would be lining Tebow up for the HOF and he'd be racking up mysterious "tackles" after every play.