OK, I will say it

[feltdizz]

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Congratulations for bringing up a totally new argument on BA. This one will surely get him fired.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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I can't believe some people are just realizing that Arians is a joke and that others haven't figured it out yet.

I know BA didn't throw the picks but knowing he had a wounded QB he should have had Ben throwing short passes to the point it equaled a running game. I said that days before the game, BA must not have gotten the memo.

Can you really make Ben throw shorter passes? The only way you can do that is to stop all long pass patterns and then guess what will happen? Ben will break the pocket, point a WR to go long and still go for the HR. The short pass was there and looking at a few replays it looked like the TE Johnson may have been the intended WR on that route.

What do you believe will happen if the coaches bench Ben because he refuses to throw short passes as he was told?

[feltdizz]

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I can't believe some people are just realizing that Arians is a joke and that others haven't figured it out yet.

I know BA didn't throw the picks but knowing he had a wounded QB he should have had Ben throwing short passes to the point it equaled a running game. I said that days before the game, BA must not have gotten the memo.

Can you really make Ben throw shorter passes? The only way you can do that is to stop all long pass patterns and then guess what will happen? Ben will break the pocket, point a WR to go long and still go for the HR. The short pass was there and looking at a few replays it looked like the TE Johnson may have been the intended WR on that route.

What do you believe will happen if the coaches bench Ben because he refuses to throw short passes as he was told?

I don't think there is a coach in the NFL who can bench Brady, Ben, Rogers or Manning.

[Keyplay1]

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Arians needs to go.
Mike, grow a FN pair and fire this genius or you can go with him.
P.S Take D.Johnson all 300 pounds of him with you.
Tell Bruce its not you its me.

Offensive Total Points Scored NFL Rank 5 Year AVG. NFL Rank 14
2011--22nd
2010--12th
2009---7th
2008--20th
2007---9th
Offensive Total Yards NFL Rank 5 Year AVG. 14.4
2011--12th
2010--14th
2009---7th
2008--22nd
2007--17th
Any wonder why this moron has never been coveted by any NFL team for a headcoaching stint.
Average Arians at best.

t might very well be time to make the move on Arians.

Unlike many of you, Chadman doesn't really have a problem with BA- even his reluctance to play a FB.

He's never had the luxury of an OL that can actually block, so his running game has continually suffered as a result.

That said- Chadman believes in things going stale- and from the looks of it, the Steelers O migt be in danger of just that. The players are there, but we are not really seeing them exceed themselves as much as we'd like, and we are not seeing some players develop as much as we would like either.

New ideas & new schemes can change that. It might bring players that we consider under-used more into the spotlight- guys like Redman & Saunders for example.

That said, the new OC better know how to gameplan for the opposition D being in the Steeler backfield 90% of the game..

Even if the Steelers have major success this year a change might be in order. He has been OC longer than any other OC since Cowher took over in 92. The concern always is however ---is change for the better? A list of the OC's since 92.

1992 - 1995 4yrs Ron Erhardt

1996 - 1997 2yrs Chan Gailey

1998----------1 yr Ray Sherman

1999 - 2000 2 yrs Kevin Gilbride

2001 - 2003 3 yrs Mike Mularkey

2004 - 2006 3 yrs Ken Whisenhunt

2007 - 2011 5 yrs Bruce Arians

BA was also the Steelers WR coach from 2004 - 2006.

BTW: Does the following question make any sense pittpete. When was the last time yo ate pierogies?

[sd steel]

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BTW: Does the following question make any sense pittpete. When was the last time yo ate pierogies?

Love it!! A blast from the past! Is he still around?

[Slapstick]

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1992 - 1995 4yrs Ron Erhardt - 4 year avg. = 12th in points/9th in yards

1996 - 1997 2yrs Chan Gailey - 2 year avg. = 9th in points/10th in yards

1998----------1 yr Ray Sherman - 28th in points/25th in yards

1999 - 2000 2 yrs Kevin Gilbride - 2 year avg. = 17th in points/20th in yards

2001 - 2003 3 yrs Mike Mularkey - 3 year avg. = 11th in points/10th in yards

2004 - 2006 3 yrs Ken Whisenhunt - 3 year avg. = 10th in points/12th in yards

I don't think that the other OCs were head and shoulders above Arians...at least statistically...the other OCs also have smaller sample sizes...

[pittpete]

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BTW: Does the following question make any sense pittpete. When was the last time yo ate pierogies?

I hate them,never ate them in 41 years.

Ive been watching this team faithfully for close to 20 years now.
I have missed 1 game in that,I chose not to watch(Ravens game on tape which Steelers got blown out and I saw the score by accident before watching-LOL)
So this in my mind makes me an authority on Steeler football

Ok,I remember the Gilbride offense and the complicated read the reciever offense that no way in hell Kordell would grasp.
Was Gilbride a bad coordinator, no but he didnt change to adapt it to the players he had.
Chan Gailey was more successfull IMHO because he took advantage of the skillset Kordell had.
I may just be talking out of my @ss but Arians is not helping this offense.
Hey Batch, you want a new job next year???

[sd steel]

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BTW: Does the following question make any sense pittpete. When was the last time yo ate pierogies?

I hate them,never ate them in 41 years.

Ive been watching this team faithfully for close to 20 years now.
I have missed 1 game in that,I chose not to watch(Ravens game on tape which Steelers got blown out and I saw the score by accident before watching-LOL)
So this in my mind makes me an authority on Steeler football

Ok,I remember the Gilbride offense and the complicated read the reciever offense that no way in hell Kordell would grasp.
Was Gilbride a bad coordinator, no but he didnt change to adapt it to the players he had.
Chan Gailey was more successfull IMHO because he took advantage of the skillset Kordell had.
I may just be talking out of my @ss but Arians is not helping this offense.
Hey Batch, you want a new job next year???

How do you know you don't like pierogies if you never ate them in 41 years? I don't know about a guy who calls himself "Pitt" who doesn't eat pierogies!

But seriously there was a guy who used to frequent some of the old forums who called himself Pierogie Pete, he was the arch nemesis of Crash if I remember correctly.

[fezziwig]

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Never had a pierogie

[feltdizz]

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Perogies are great. Boiled or pan fried.

[sd steel]

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Never had a pierogie

Your loss. I don't know how I can trust anyones opinion on Pittsburgh Steeler football if you don't eat or haven't had pierogies. I mean you don't like potato, cheese and bacon stuffed into flour then fried in onions? There are other types as well, but those are my favorite!

Saying you are a Steeler fan and don't eat pierogies is like saying you don't have a terrible towel hanging somewhere in your house. You lose alot of credibility on the whole fandom thing.

[feltdizz]

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Potato bacon and cheese fried with onions. Damn I'm hungry.

What if my TT isn't hanging on a wall?

[sd steel]

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Potato bacon and cheese fried with onions. Damn I'm hungry.

What if my TT isn't hanging on a wall?

I have one or two hung, the others are just sitting around ready for waving, so how about not eating pierogies is like not owning a Terrible towel and calling yourself a Steeler fan.

[Keyplay1]

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sd steel said: "But seriously there was a guy who used to frequent some of the old forums who called himself Pierogie Pete, he was the arch nemesis of Crash if I remember correctly."

Yes, pittpete, that was exactly what the question was referring to. Even though I do not post very often, I do remember reading those arguments from the past. But, I don't remember who I sided with. Probably Pierogie Pete, but I'm not sure.

Obviously you aren't familiar with him. I thought maybe there might be some connection. Incidentally, even though I have quite often gone to bars owned by Polish families and am familiar with a number of Polish specialties, I'm not really sure what a pierogie is either.

[SidSmythe]

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Arians should be fired alone for subbing in a hurry up offense at the end of the 1st half.

and I wouldn't hire any OC that's ever played us and didn't attack our LBs w/ TEs