Ziggy Should

[BURGH86STEEL]

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The Hood critics should watch the segment with Hood breaking down plays on NFL network. The man knows exactly what he is doing. I don't think a lot of people watching him actually do. He is supposed to take on blockers and let someone else come free and make the play. He is actually playing well.

Arm chair GM's and coaches know more.

Aren't we all arm chair GM's and coaches? lol. That's a beauty of a forum. To give props, analyze, criticize and flat out complain about our team.

No, I am not and arm chair GM or coach. My point was fans believe they know more then the coaches and players. Very little solid analysis can be provide by fans by simply watching the games live. Fans also don't know player's responsibilities or what players were asked to do on certain plays. Maybe it appeared there were plays that Hood or certain players weren't doing their jobs. Players could had been doing what the coaches asked. We don't know because we don't know the inner workings.

[grotonsteel]

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No, Ziggy isn't on Suh's level.

I agree...that's why I posted this:

Suh was drafted #2 overall...Ziggy was drafted #32 overall...

Ziggy is not the physical freak that Suh is...few players are...

I'm merely saying that, if people are looking for Ziggy to post big stats, they will be disappointed until he plays in a defense that allows him to do so...

Suh does...

Well then this raises a question why are we drafting DE so high in the draft if they are not suppose to get even 5 sacks in a NFL season.

Is there a stat for QB pressure? If so it would be interesting to see Hood's number.

I thought Ziggy Hood played well towards the end last season. I don't think he is playing at that level.

[Slapstick]

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Well then this raises a question why are we drafting DE so high in the draft if they are not suppose to get even 5 sacks in a NFL season.

Perhaps it is because the Steelers do not necessarily look for large sack numbers in their DEs...maybe they look for a player to fit their defense and Hood was the best player overall for that particular position on need when they drafted...

[Shoe]

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My point in bringing up Suh's name in this was to point out that it's a bit of a scapegoat, to blame lack of numbers on the scheme. Ziggy and Ziggy supporters, cite the scheme as the reason he has no numbers to speak of... and while it's is partly true, the fact is that it's scapegoating. He should still be able to put up certain numbers (e.g. 3 sacks by now, x pressures, etc.)

It's taking a side track here, because I don't think he's playing badly. I'm fine with his performance, because the defense has shown to be more solid than it was early on... and that coincided with his insertion.

I just don't want him to get a pass for the rest of his career, that he should never get stats. He should produce at a certain level... and it's higher than it currently is.

[Chavezz]

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If we're not to expect decent sack numbers for their position then IMO it was a mistake taking these guys in the 1st round. If we wanted run stutters. Those guy can be found later and developed. Just look at our track record with smith, keisel, kimo (run of the mill free agent)

It's more difficult to find guys to play 3-4 DE now then it was several years ago. More teams play the 3-4 or variations of the defense then in the past. Smith and Keisel were players that were drafted later because less teams ran the 3-4 defense.

I'm glad you pointed this out. There are several posters that think this is 2000 and there are only 2-3 teams playing the 34 defense.

I think I read somewhere that almost half the teams are now either playing predominately a 34D or at least a significant portion of their base defense in a 34.

Those 34 olb's and DE's that were just sitting out there for us to take in the late rounds are now getting drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. For our front 7 to get younger and maintain the talent we've come to expect, we have to invest premium choices.

[steelz09]

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The Hood critics should watch the segment with Hood breaking down plays on NFL network. The man knows exactly what he is doing. I don't think a lot of people watching him actually do. He is supposed to take on blockers and let someone else come free and make the play. He is actually playing well.

Arm chair GM's and coaches know more.

Aren't we all arm chair GM's and coaches? lol. That's a beauty of a forum. To give props, analyze, criticize and flat out complain about our team.

No, I am not and arm chair GM or coach. My point was fans believe they know more then the coaches and players. Very little solid analysis can be provide by fans by simply watching the games live. Fans also don't know player's responsibilities or what players were asked to do on certain plays. Maybe it appeared there were plays that Hood or certain players weren't doing their jobs. Players could had been doing what the coaches asked. We don't know because we don't know the inner workings.

Oh, that's right... now I remember. Your the one. Knowledgable fans can't critique players watching the game live. please Sorry dude, I don't buy it...

While I agree that you may not know a players assignment, I'm pretty sure I can intelligently critique just about any player/position on the Steelers. If you know technique, schemes, you can analyze a player pretty easily. Learn technique, schemes, fundamentals, play the game and most importantly, watch the game with your eyes open and you'll have an easier time.

[Slapstick]

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My point in bringing up Suh's name in this was to point out that it's a bit of a scapegoat, to blame lack of numbers on the scheme. Ziggy and Ziggy supporters, cite the scheme as the reason he has no numbers to speak of... and while it's is partly true, the fact is that it's scapegoating. He should still be able to put up certain numbers (e.g. 3 sacks by now, x pressures, etc.)

It's taking a side track here, because I don't think he's playing badly. I'm fine with his performance, because the defense has shown to be more solid than it was early on... and that coincided with his insertion.

I just don't want him to get a pass for the rest of his career, that he should never get stats. He should produce at a certain level... and it's higher than it currently is.

And that's where we differ...I don't give a crap about stats as I don't think that they are always a good barometer of a player's performance...particularly in the case of a 3-4 DL in LeBeau's ZB scheme...

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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There is nothing wrong with Hood. There really isn't another 3-4 DE in the league you could try to compare him to except maybe Keisel and even then Keisel isn't playing strong side. The problem with the run defense it right down the middle. It isn't what we are used to because Hampton & Farrior aren't what they used to be. Hampton has tailed but he still is very good. Farrior isn't better than Foote anymore...And Foote is only a support type of LB so that tells you everything you need to know. Foote didn't explode after he left or find the fountain of youth. Instincts can only get you bye for so long. Eventually, the athleticism has to be a factor. They will be very good when Woodley & Harrison see the field again together. But don't kid yourself folks....You will not see the dominating run defense until someone else lines up inside next to Timmons (Step one next year) and soon to follow...Hampton's replacement is found. Might get another year out of Hampton to split time and groom the rookie in 2012....But ILB will need to be addressed. There is some real quality depth in the young players in McClendon, Woods, and Sylvester...But I don't see any indication right now that they are long term starting replacements to Hampton & Farrior/Foote. Come draft 2012...I expect both positions to be addressed in early rounds if possible.

[SteelTorch]

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The Hood critics should watch the segment with Hood breaking down plays on NFL network. The man knows exactly what he is doing. I don't think a lot of people watching him actually do. He is supposed to take on blockers and let someone else come free and make the play. He is actually playing well.

Arm chair GM's and coaches know more.

Aren't we all arm chair GM's and coaches? lol. That's a beauty of a forum. To give props, analyze, criticize and flat out complain about our team.

No, I am not and arm chair GM or coach. My point was fans believe they know more then the coaches and players. Very little solid analysis can be provide by fans by simply watching the games live. Fans also don't know player's responsibilities or what players were asked to do on certain plays. Maybe it appeared there were plays that Hood or certain players weren't doing their jobs. Players could had been doing what the coaches asked. We don't know because we don't know the inner workings.

We fans can only go by what works and what doesn't. And when something clearly doesn't work, and hasn't for a long time, it doesn't take a professional to figure out that something needs to be changed.

[feltdizz]

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what isn't working? Is Hood getting gashed? Is he a weak link?

just asking because right now it sounds like some fans think Hood isn't doing his job.

[grotonsteel]

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what isn't working? Is Hood getting gashed? Is he a weak link?

just asking because right now it sounds like some fans think Hood isn't doing his job.

I think its difficult to evaluate a DLineman. We don't know what are Ziggy's assignment.

When Ziggy was drafted i thought he might be able to create havoc among the blockers. Put more pressure on the QB on passing down. But right now i am not seeing it.

Maybe his assignment is to just occupy the blockers but then do we need to spend a first RD pick on such DE?

I believe Ziggy is a far better pick at 32 than Glen dorsey or jackson from KC or Adam C of St Louis.

[Slapstick]

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Maybe his assignment is to just occupy the blockers but then do we need to spend a first RD pick on such DE?

I guess it depends on whether or not you want your defense to work...

[fezziwig]

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Maybe it's just me but I figured a number one pick would have his name called out more with valuable plays such as more disruption or to see him knife in there sometimes with blowing up a run play or a sack or some balls knocked down.
i'll admit, I'm not in tune to the workings of proffesional football as many of you guys so, I judge things differently.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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The Hood critics should watch the segment with Hood breaking down plays on NFL network. The man knows exactly what he is doing. I don't think a lot of people watching him actually do. He is supposed to take on blockers and let someone else come free and make the play. He is actually playing well.

Arm chair GM's and coaches know more.

Aren't we all arm chair GM's and coaches? lol. That's a beauty of a forum. To give props, analyze, criticize and flat out complain about our team.

No, I am not and arm chair GM or coach. My point was fans believe they know more then the coaches and players. Very little solid analysis can be provide by fans by simply watching the games live. Fans also don't know player's responsibilities or what players were asked to do on certain plays. Maybe it appeared there were plays that Hood or certain players weren't doing their jobs. Players could had been doing what the coaches asked. We don't know because we don't know the inner workings.

We fans can only go by what works and what doesn't. And when something clearly doesn't work, and hasn't for a long time, it doesn't take a professional to figure out that something needs to be changed.

It appears that many issues and players worked out for the Steelers for a long time. For some reason, we get fans nitpicking and being overly critical because players don't play up to their standards. Some of those same fan's standards and knee jerk reactions would have had a player like Polamalu cut early in his career. Ziggy appears to be a solid player. He was drafted as the last pick in the first round. He could had easily been a 2nd round pick. I believe many fans expectations of Hood are too high. Seems that some want Hood to be this beast of a player that is usually expected out of top 10 to 15 picks.

[Chadman]

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If we're not to expect decent sack numbers for their position then IMO it was a mistake taking these guys in the 1st round. If we wanted run stutters. Those guy can be found later and developed. Just look at our track record with smith, keisel, kimo (run of the mill free agent)

It's more difficult to find guys to play 3-4 DE now then it was several years ago. More teams play the 3-4 or variations of the defense then in the past. Smith and Keisel were players that were drafted later because less teams ran the 3-4 defense.

I'm glad you pointed this out. There are several posters that think this is 2000 and there are only 2-3 teams playing the 34 defense.

I think I read somewhere that almost half the teams are now either playing predominately a 34D or at least a significant portion of their base defense in a 34.

Those 34 olb's and DE's that were just sitting out there for us to take in the late rounds are now getting drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. For our front 7 to get younger and maintain the talent we've come to expect, we have to invest premium choices.

Dammit.

I hate it when I agree with Chavezz.