Lebeau scheme being exposed

[Slapstick]

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Simpely put, the Ravens wanted it more yesterday...they have been scheming and dreaming about this day for eight months...the day they would start the season with Pittsburgh at home...

I will go on record to say that the Ravens will not be able to maintain this intensity over the course of a season...I wonder if they will be able to keep it up next week...

Harbaugh was positively giddy after the game, to a degree that was borderline unprofessional...he had FINALLY beaten the Steelers!!!!

We'll see how it shakes out for the rest of the season...

[papillon]

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Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

Your anti-Lebeau agenda, which you've been promoting since the days of the Trib board, is growing tiresome. You must be thrilled that yesterday's game met your agenda so well.

McFadden was in tight coverage on Boldin on the first TD. If that throw was off just a bit, he has a pick. Ike Taylor eliminated Lee Evans from the game, often playing press coverage.

Timmons was burned in coverage just like everybody else yesterday. Yet, not one mention from you of that, likely because it doesn't fit your agenda. For the record, I think he'll be fine, but if we're going to hysterically overreact, lets not leave anybody out.

Finally, what great cover guys were sitting on the bench and not playing yesterday? Keenan Lewis? Maybe they can call your boy, and current grocery clerk, Joe Burnett.

There are three things in life that are guaranteed. Death, taxes and fans complaining about LeBeau's defensive system after a loss.

Can you explain the last 6 loses the Steelers have had and why LeBeau has chosen not to bring pressure on the QB in those games?

My explanation for yesterday would be that Harrison and Woodley (The two players that the Steelers rely on most to apply pressure.) lost their one-on-one battles badly. The Steelers rarely blitz (by definition), but they do send different personnel from different angles to try and put pressure on the quarterback and typically this involves 4 or 5 pass rushers. It didn't work yesterday, the Ravens offensive line played well and so did Flacco. The Steelers couldn't win a one-on-one battle.

The only battle they won was when Keisel applied pressure when the Ravens were trying to run it up late in the game and he got a good hit on Flacco, but it was too late then.

Pappy

[Oviedo]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

It is as simple as that.

So you don't feel that the SEVEN turnovers from the offence played a part in the loss?

It was 21-7 before there was ever a turnover from the Steelers offense.[/quote:30ujbnqf]

Correct but many can't get past making excuses for the defense and specifically the DC. LeBeau got outcoached and it had nothing to do with the offense. Arians wasn't much better but LeBeau is reponsible for the defense not Arians.

[feltdizz]

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[quote=Oviedo]

It is as simple as that.

So you don't feel that the SEVEN turnovers from the offence played a part in the loss?

It was 21-7 before there was ever a turnover from the Steelers offense.

Correct but many can't get past making excuses for the defense and specifically the DC. LeBeau got outcoached and it had nothing to do with the offense. Arians wasn't much better but LeBeau is reponsible for the defense not Arians.[/quote:2298isgl]

I'm pretty sure the fumble sack happened before it was 21-7.

[Northern_Blitz]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

It is as simple as that.

So you don't feel that the SEVEN turnovers from the offence played a part in the loss?

It was 21-7 before there was ever a turnover from the Steelers offense.[/quote:270bzcvj]

Ben Fumbled at the end of the first when it was 7-0.

1-10-PIT 44 (3:15) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger sacked at PIT 35 for -9 yards (55-T.Suggs). FUMBLES (55-T.Suggs), RECOVERED by BAL-92-H.Ngata at PIT 37. 92-H.Ngata to PIT 37 for no gain (53-M.Pouncey).

That led to:

3-1-PIT 1 (1:54) 27-R.Rice right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

That's a key turnover (why no one blocked Suggs, I don't know).

Second, you can come back after being down 14 (see AFC championship). It's hard to do when you turn the ball over 6 of your last 8 posessions (only non-turnovers were a three and out, and a turn over on downs at the end of the game).

The defence blew yesterday too, but that was a terrible performance by our entire team. Props to Ben for taking responsibility after the game.

[Northern_Blitz]

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[quote=Oviedo]

It is as simple as that.

So you don't feel that the SEVEN turnovers from the offence played a part in the loss?

It was 21-7 before there was ever a turnover from the Steelers offense.

Correct but many can't get past making excuses for the defense and specifically the DC. LeBeau got outcoached and it had nothing to do with the offense. Arians wasn't much better but LeBeau is reponsible for the defense not Arians.[/quote:m6nku6ht]

Not correct.

Just like there are many who consistantly make excuses for Ben (Ben is not one of them). He had 5 turnovers in the game. Every once in a while he has these absolutely terrible games. I'd still take him over everyone but maybe Brady, but when he's bad, he's BAD.

I think both sides of the ball played like ass. If I had to pick which had more "blame", I'd pick the O (terrible blocking, RBs can't hold onto the ball, 3 picks, as many turnovers as points). I think your odds of wining when you give up 35 points are bad. I'd say they're worse when you have 7 turnovers. I'm pretty sure that they're 0% when you get as many turnovers as points (more turnovers if you count the turnover on downs at the end of the game).

[feltdizz]

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The first thing people do after a bad loss is defend Ben.... he had some horrible throws and while the Suggs sack was fast it's not like he doesn't know Suggs exist. It was obvious he was coming and Ben just ignored him like he has this awesome OL.

I don't blame Ben for the OL but the guy knows what he is working with and he knows the clock doesn't exist when playing B'more.

Bad game by all... no excuses for any of them.

[Oviedo]

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Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

Your anti-Lebeau agenda, which you've been promoting since the days of the Trib board, is growing tiresome. You must be thrilled that yesterday's game met your agenda so well.

McFadden was in tight coverage on Boldin on the first TD. If that throw was off just a bit, he has a pick. Ike Taylor eliminated Lee Evans from the game, often playing press coverage.

Timmons was burned in coverage just like everybody else yesterday. Yet, not one mention from you of that, likely because it doesn't fit your agenda. For the record, I think he'll be fine, but if we're going to hysterically overreact, lets not leave anybody out.

Finally, what great cover guys were sitting on the bench and not playing yesterday? Keenan Lewis? Maybe they can call your boy, and current grocery clerk, Joe Burnett.

Feel free to put me on IGNORE or just don't read anything I post. Won't bother me one bit but then you won't be able to blindly defend LeBeau even though there is mounting evidence our defense has been figured out.

As far as the "cover guys" on the bench, would they have been worse than the "no cover guys" on the field. But then we will never know because they haven't served their full probation periods.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

Your anti-Lebeau agenda, which you've been promoting since the days of the Trib board, is growing tiresome. You must be thrilled that yesterday's game met your agenda so well.

McFadden was in tight coverage on Boldin on the first TD. If that throw was off just a bit, he has a pick. Ike Taylor eliminated Lee Evans from the game, often playing press coverage.

Timmons was burned in coverage just like everybody else yesterday. Yet, not one mention from you of that, likely because it doesn't fit your agenda. For the record, I think he'll be fine, but if we're going to hysterically overreact, lets not leave anybody out.

Finally, what great cover guys were sitting on the bench and not playing yesterday? Keenan Lewis? Maybe they can call your boy, and current grocery clerk, Joe Burnett.

Feel free to put me on IGNORE or just don't read anything I post. Won't bother me one bit but then you won't be able to blindly defend LeBeau even though there is mounting evidence our defense has been figured out.

As far as the "cover guys" on the bench, would they have been worse than the "no cover guys" on the field. But then we will never know because they haven't served their full probation periods.

You regularly make fun of "armchair GM's" who think they are smarter than our front office, ridiculing the "internet experts" who think they know more than the guys who are out scouting games and breaking down film.

But then you go ahead and spout off like you know more about which players are the best cover guys than an all-time-great defensive coach, even though you haven't sat through a single practice, been with these guys in film study, etc.

Way to go, you internet expert armchair coach. So glad you were able to expose Coach LeBeau as a past-his-prime fraud of a coach. Congratulations.

[Dee Dub]

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You regularly make fun of "armchair GM's" who think they are smarter than our front office, ridiculing the "internet experts" who think they know more than the guys who are out scouting games and breaking down film.

But then you go ahead and spout off like you know more about which players are the best cover guys than an all-time-great defensive coach, even though you haven't sat through a single practice, been with these guys in film study, etc.

Way to go, you internet expert armchair coach. So glad you were able to expose Coach LeBeau as a past-his-prime fraud of a coach. Congratulations.

Ruthless I for one do not think I know more about anything football related than the Great LeBeau...however I know in the last 6 loses the Steelers have had LeBeau is doing something much different than what he use to do or is known for. It's very obvious too. He is not bringing pressure after the QB. And this to me is very confusing at it goes completely against the strength of this defense. And having 6, 7, and sometimes 8 men in coverage did not work in these loses.

[Oviedo]

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Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

Your anti-Lebeau agenda, which you've been promoting since the days of the Trib board, is growing tiresome. You must be thrilled that yesterday's game met your agenda so well.

McFadden was in tight coverage on Boldin on the first TD. If that throw was off just a bit, he has a pick. Ike Taylor eliminated Lee Evans from the game, often playing press coverage.

Timmons was burned in coverage just like everybody else yesterday. Yet, not one mention from you of that, likely because it doesn't fit your agenda. For the record, I think he'll be fine, but if we're going to hysterically overreact, lets not leave anybody out.

Finally, what great cover guys were sitting on the bench and not playing yesterday? Keenan Lewis? Maybe they can call your boy, and current grocery clerk, Joe Burnett.

Feel free to put me on IGNORE or just don't read anything I post. Won't bother me one bit but then you won't be able to blindly defend LeBeau even though there is mounting evidence our defense has been figured out.

As far as the "cover guys" on the bench, would they have been worse than the "no cover guys" on the field. But then we will never know because they haven't served their full probation periods.

You regularly make fun of "armchair GM's" who think they are smarter than our front office, ridiculing the "internet experts" who think they know more than the guys who are out scouting games and breaking down film.

But then you go ahead and spout off like you know more about which players are the best cover guys than an all-time-great defensive coach, even though you haven't sat through a single practice, been with these guys in film study, etc.

Way to go, you internet expert armchair coach. So glad you were able to expose Coach LeBeau as a past-his-prime fraud of a coach. Congratulations.

You do realize that this is a message board and not real life or a trial in a court room don't you? The purpose is to offer opinions. My critcisms are no different than dozens of others even though you may not like the target of my criticisms.

But can you really say after what we saw at the Super Bowl last year and yesterday that I have absolutely zero merit?????? My issue has never been that LeBeau hasn't been great, just that we have a symptom that he is not evolving our defense to address. We are seeing the same things we saw three and four years ago. When we lose it seems to always be the same thing happening. Isn't it his job to fix that?

[SteelTorch]

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Feel free to put me on IGNORE or just don't read anything I post. Won't bother me one bit but then you won't be able to blindly defend LeBeau even though there is mounting evidence our defense has been figured out.

As far as the "cover guys" on the bench, would they have been worse than the "no cover guys" on the field. But then we will never know because they haven't served their full probation periods.

You mean the way you blindly defend Arians? You're a hypocrite in the worst sense. I'm not sure sometimes if you really are that dumb, or if you just spout your anti-DL nonsense to feel smart.

But can you really say after what we saw at the Super Bowl last year and yesterday that I have absolutely zero merit??????

Yes.

[Discipline of Steel]

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I cant imagine how anyone can say that D!ck LeBeau does not evolve. The man has been in professional football for 50 years. The one thing which does not evolve is the Steelers annual ranking near the top of league defenses.
So yes, Saint LeBeau...Hall of Famer. Then there are the anonymous folks on this forum who claim they're smarter than Saint LeBeau and why doesnt he just do it their way.... and while we are at it...why the heck is last years 2nd runner-up for DMVP still on our roster. Worilds is primed!

Playing Fantasy Football (or posting in a public forum) does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!

[BURGH86STEEL]

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I cant imagine how anyone can say that D!ck LeBeau does not evolve. The man has been in professional football for 50 years. The one thing which does not evolve is the Steelers annual ranking near the top of league defenses.
So yes, Saint LeBeau...Hall of Famer. Then there are the anonymous folks on this forum who claim they're smarter than Saint LeBeau and why doesnt he just do it their way.... and while we are at it...why the heck is last years 2nd runner-up for DMVP still on our roster. Worilds is primed!

Playing Fantasy Football (or posting in a public forum) does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!

Maybe they slept at a Holiday Inn for the last year?

I will go back to the same theme I spit for Arians, execution, execution, execution. The best coaches in the league lose games when their players don't execute. Plus, we gotta give some credit to the other guys. The Ravens out executed the Steelers in every area of the game.

[NJ-STEELER]

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Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

dowling already making plays for new england in his 1st game