Lebeau scheme being exposed

[steelblood]

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GB went downfield all game. NE dumps off underneath and runs free... total NE copycat.Usually we rattle Flacco but damn, he was on yesterday.

He was on because we could not cover the receivers, whether they be RB, TE or WR. This is the problem. The league and offenses evolved and we remain whetted to a "keep them in front of you" zone scheme. Flacco was accurate yesterday but how many catches did his receiver have to make under duress with somone blanketed all over them. Very few.

I have to give the Ravens credit they saw what we struggle with and game planned perfectly.

This is actually not entirely accurate. The Steelers played quite a bit of press man. McFadden was given the opportunity to bump and run with Boldin. His positioning wasn't bad, but he was outfought for the ball (which was generally very well thrown). Timmons had man coverage on Rice for the TD. Polamalu was underneath Dixon on his TD. We didn't simply sit back. On the TD passes, we lost individual battles.

Now, we did get out schemed on their dump offs and screens. But, that is another story. There was absolutely no one there. It wasn't a matter of sitting back. We just lost the man and they burned us over and over.

[grotonsteel]

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GB went downfield all game. NE dumps off underneath and runs free... total NE copycat.Usually we rattle Flacco but damn, he was on yesterday.

He was on because we could not cover the receivers, whether they be RB, TE or WR. This is the problem. The league and offenses evolved and we remain whetted to a "keep them in front of you" zone scheme. Flacco was accurate yesterday but how many catches did his receiver have to make under duress with somone blanketed all over them. Very few.

I have to give the Ravens credit they saw what we struggle with and game planned perfectly.

Did anyone see the amount of time Flacco had in the pocket??? 6-sec min.

To me Aaron Smith is done. He needs to benched and pushed into backup role. I like A.Smith a lot but i think he is done. I would say defensive backs did not looked that bad but Front 7 were horrible.Only player from that group that came to play was Harrison IMO.


And how in the world do you not content ray Rice??? He is their only offense and still he was open all over the field.

I wished Steelers had spent money on O-line in the offseason.

[NWNewell]

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Every year people complain about LeBeau's defense. But every year the defense ranks where? I've been hearing the NE argument since 2003 or 2004.

No, it's not perfect. Yes, there are times when it is exposed. They will have good games and bad games. Good years, and not so good years. But how many Superbowls have we gotten to in since LeBeau has been the DC? How many have we won? What DC, defense, team has done better since LeBeau has been the DC? Not many.

Some will argue that without Ben, LeBeau's defense would not have gotten them to the Superbowls. Some will argue that without LeBeau's defense, Ben would not have made it to the superbowls. Personally, I think it took both... AND the rest of the team.

LeBeau's defense, and Ben, helped us get to the superbowl just last year, and the defense allowed the fewest points/game & yards/play (in case some of you forgot).

Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).

So lets stop the knee-jerk over-reactions. And stop whining like bitchy little girls. Things are rarely as bad, or as good, as they seem. Lets see where this team is around week 5 or 6 before all us "GM's" cannibalize the team.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Lebeau scheme being exposed

Every year people complain about LeBeau's defense. But every year the defense ranks where? I've been hearing the NE argument since 2003 or 2004.

No, it's not perfect. Yes, there are times when it is exposed. They will have good games and bad games. Good years, and not so good years. But how many Superbowls have we gotten to in since LeBeau has been the DC? How many have we won? What DC, defense, team has done better since LeBeau has been the DC? Not many.

Some will argue that without Ben, LeBeau's defense would not have gotten them to the Superbowls. Some will argue that without LeBeau's defense, Ben would not have made it to the superbowls. Personally, I think it took both... AND the rest of the team.

LeBeau's defense, and Ben, helped us get to the superbowl just last year, and the defense allowed the fewest points/game & yards/play (in case some of you forgot).

Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. We've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town.

So lets stop the knee-jerk over-reactions. And stop whining like bitchy little girls. Things are rarely as bad, or as good, as they seem. Lets see where this team is around week 5 or 6 before all us "GM's" cannibalize the team.

The reason the Steelers remain on of the better organizations is because they don't overreact like fans after bad games or seasons.

[Oviedo]

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[quote="NWNewell"]Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

[Northern_Blitz]

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It is as simple as that.

So you don't feel that the SEVEN turnovers from the offence played a part in the loss?

Certainly, the D shat the bed. But to say that this loss is only on the D is rediculous. This was an entire team failure.

[phillyesq]

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Every year people complain about LeBeau's defense. But every year the defense ranks where? I've been hearing the NE argument since 2003 or 2004.

No, it's not perfect. Yes, there are times when it is exposed. They will have good games and bad games. Good years, and not so good years. But how many Superbowls have we gotten to in since LeBeau has been the DC? How many have we won? What DC, defense, team has done better since LeBeau has been the DC? Not many.

Some will argue that without Ben, LeBeau's defense would not have gotten them to the Superbowls. Some will argue that without LeBeau's defense, Ben would not have made it to the superbowls. Personally, I think it took both... AND the rest of the team.

LeBeau's defense, and Ben, helped us get to the superbowl just last year, and the defense allowed the fewest points/game & yards/play (in case some of you forgot).

Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).

So lets stop the knee-jerk over-reactions. And stop whining like bitchy little girls. Things are rarely as bad, or as good, as they seem. Lets see where this team is around week 5 or 6 before all us "GM's" cannibalize the team.

[NWNewell]

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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

I don't think we have Jimmy Smith type CB talent sitting on the sidelines.

Our defense has been "clearly" over matched in the past, and "clearly" over matched the very same team on other occasions.

This three year problem you speak of.... you mean the same three years where we were 1st, 5th, & 1st in points allowed and 2nd, 5th, 1st in yards/game? That is a problem I'm happy to keep. And people have been making the same complaints for much longer than three years.

Some people will just not be happy unless they walk on water every Sunday.

[fezziwig]

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Lebeau better go back to the drawing board because the Jets in the playoffs, Packers in the Super Bowl and now the Ravens have proved our defense is not what everyone would like to believe it is.

Used to be only teams could throw on us but the Ravens proved they can throw and run.
Is Lebeau so stupid that he doesn't realize every team will be attacking through the air and good tightends have owned him over the years ?

I have no problem bitiching about Arians but now it is time for Lebeau to take the heat.
He, Tomlin or whom ever better wake up and smell the coffee with Aaron Smith, Farrior and Timmons. Smith too old, Farrior too slow and Timmons is alway going to have his breakout out season next year.

Is Troy still on this team ?

[BURGH86STEEL]

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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

I don't think we have Jimmy Smith type CB talent sitting on the sidelines.

Our defense has been "clearly" over matched in the past, and "clearly" over matched the very same team on other occasions.

This three year problem you speak of.... you mean the same three years where we were 1st, 5th, & 1st in points allowed and 2nd, 5th, 1st in yards/game? That is a problem I'm happy to keep. And people have been making the same complaints for much longer than three years.

Some people will just not be happy unless they walk on water every Sunday.

I agree.

[phillyesq]

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Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

Your anti-Lebeau agenda, which you've been promoting since the days of the Trib board, is growing tiresome. You must be thrilled that yesterday's game met your agenda so well.

McFadden was in tight coverage on Boldin on the first TD. If that throw was off just a bit, he has a pick. Ike Taylor eliminated Lee Evans from the game, often playing press coverage.

Timmons was burned in coverage just like everybody else yesterday. Yet, not one mention from you of that, likely because it doesn't fit your agenda. For the record, I think he'll be fine, but if we're going to hysterically overreact, lets not leave anybody out.

Finally, what great cover guys were sitting on the bench and not playing yesterday? Keenan Lewis? Maybe they can call your boy, and current grocery clerk, Joe Burnett.

[SteelBucks]

Re: Lebeau scheme being exposed

Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

Your anti-Lebeau agenda, which you've been promoting since the days of the Trib board, is growing tiresome. You must be thrilled that yesterday's game met your agenda so well.

McFadden was in tight coverage on Boldin on the first TD. If that throw was off just a bit, he has a pick. Ike Taylor eliminated Lee Evans from the game, often playing press coverage.

Timmons was burned in coverage just like everybody else yesterday. Yet, not one mention from you of that, likely because it doesn't fit your agenda. For the record, I think he'll be fine, but if we're going to hysterically overreact, lets not leave anybody out.

Finally, what great cover guys were sitting on the bench and not playing yesterday? Keenan Lewis? Maybe they can call your boy, and current grocery clerk, Joe Burnett.

There are three things in life that are guaranteed. Death, taxes and fans complaining about LeBeau's defensive system after a loss.

[Dee Dub]

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No defense is gonna get tO the QB when there are backs and TEs open On short routes within 5 yards of the LOS. The ball is gone to quick. At some point we need to cover these guys a bit tighter

I guess some of you just dont get it??? This team is not built to cover. The personnel isnt there to cover. McFadden, Gay, Clark, Farrior, and Woodley are not going to win any cover battles. This team is built to get after the QB. And even on the short drops they can still make a QB get rid of the ball sooner than he wants to or at least disrupt that passing lanes with pressure. Put pressure or at least the thought of pressure and Flacco will make mistakes. Go down swinging with your strength.

This is not an attack on LeBeau. He is a living legend but in the last 6 losses the Steelers have had he has played a major part in it my going away from the strength of the defense. It is a fact. Look it up!!!

[Dee Dub]

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Yes, it was an awful performance by just about everyone yesterday. I'm not saying we don't need to adjust. But we've had awful performances in the past and have rebounded without running LeBeau, his scheme, or all the players out of town (that was probably due to some adaptation and adjustments, not wholesale schematic changes).
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Sorry, but this is a three year problem where we can't get decent CBs on the field because we have them wasting away on the sideline "learning LeBeau's system." Baltimore's first year defensive coordinator seemed to have zero issues yesterday with a rookie and player who had one career start in line up.

If our defense is so complex we can't get players on the field then there is a problem because we had bad players on the field yesterday who were clearly overmatched. Who did we fool with our complex defense yesterday or in the past Super Bowl?

Your anti-Lebeau agenda, which you've been promoting since the days of the Trib board, is growing tiresome. You must be thrilled that yesterday's game met your agenda so well.

McFadden was in tight coverage on Boldin on the first TD. If that throw was off just a bit, he has a pick. Ike Taylor eliminated Lee Evans from the game, often playing press coverage.

Timmons was burned in coverage just like everybody else yesterday. Yet, not one mention from you of that, likely because it doesn't fit your agenda. For the record, I think he'll be fine, but if we're going to hysterically overreact, lets not leave anybody out.

Finally, what great cover guys were sitting on the bench and not playing yesterday? Keenan Lewis? Maybe they can call your boy, and current grocery clerk, Joe Burnett.

There are three things in life that are guaranteed. Death, taxes and fans complaining about LeBeau's defensive system after a loss.

Can you explain the last 6 loses the Steelers have had and why LeBeau has chosen not to bring pressure on the QB in those games?

[Dee Dub]

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It is as simple as that.

So you don't feel that the SEVEN turnovers from the offence played a part in the loss?

It was 21-7 before there was ever a turnover from the Steelers offense.