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  • flippy
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    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    #16
    Re: Timmons Extended

    Originally posted by insanesteelersfan
    Originally posted by flippy
    Originally posted by insanesteelersfan
    Originally posted by papillon
    Originally posted by Oviedo
    This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

    I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.
    There isn't anyone on the Steeler roster or any other roster that could take Troy's place. He'll have a unique place in NFL history when he hangs em up. I'd take Troy over Ronnie Lott considered by many to be the gold standard.

    Pappy

    Flippy, you never seen Lott play, which means you have ZERO opinion. Comparing Troy to Lott in ANY way is silly. Lott was everybit as fast and Athletic as Troy was. Was as strong as ANY current D-Linemen playing today. And could EASILY just look at someone like Jack Lambert and make him Cry and run to his Momma!! Lott is easily the best DB period to play in the past 50 years. If any safety can compare to Troy it's Kenny Easley, former Seahawk Safety. Easley was a Ballhawk like Troy, and was also equally as dinged up as Troy is. They are both " Finess " players. Lott was a Physical Monster who could play finess, or super physical.


    Comparing the talents of Troy P to Lott is like saying Kyle Boler..( Troy ) is equal to Terry Bradshaw...( Lott )
    How many times have you seen Lott play in person?

    I seriously have my doubts that he was close to as fast as Troy on the field. Everyone else looks like they're moving in slow motion compared to the guy.

    As strong as any DLineman? C'Mon bro. There's no way. If he was that powerful and fast, there'd be no reason to drop him into coverage, just send him up the gut after the QB.

    I just went and watch highlight reels of Polamalu and Lott for the fun of it. And Lott couldn't have made half the plays in Troy's highlight reel.

    Lott may have been big and fast and hit hard for his era. But if you watch the 2 side by side, Lott looks like he's running with bricks in his pants compared to Troy's athleticism.

    And Troy doesn't get as many opportunities for INTs. You can't compare a CB/FS to a SS that plays in the box as much as Troy. That's a crazy comparison.

    As good as Lott was during his era, I just don't see how he compares really. Could Lott take away TO or Antonio Gates for a game? Lott's one of the best ever in coverage. Troy sucks in coverage. I've seen Troy take out some of the biggest/baddest WRs as part of a game plan and I think Lott would have struggled against either one of those guys.

    I do give credit to Lott for breaking off a finger and playing. But when I look at the tapes, I don't see speed/power in Lott compared to the modern players.

    But you've seen him in person more than I have. I've only seen Troy play in person. So maybe Lott did cover the whole field just like Troy. I doubt it, but I haven't seen him play in person.
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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 27532

      #17
      Re: Timmons Extended

      Troy can do everything Lott did besides laying bone crushing hits. Troy could do this but he wasn't raised to hurt people.
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • pittpete
        Legend
        • Aug 2008
        • 6825

        #18
        Re: Timmons Extended

        Anyone who has ever watched Troy play will tell you he is among the WORST tacklers that has ever played the position. Sure, he might chase the guy down and tackle him. But thats after Troy WHIFFED on the original tackle. So try again MENSA!
        When somebody makes a statement like this, dont even bother debating it further.
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        • aggiebones
          Pro Bowler
          • Jan 2009
          • 1427

          #19
          Re: Timmons Extended

          If Troy played his full tenure with a healthy body, he might have been the best football player ever. EVER.

          However, we will never know. He has not and likely will limp through this next contract as well.

          He has ridiculous range when healthy. Great ball skills and understanding of the game. He's very physical in the running game and tackles a guy WELL before the runner even knows he's there. He does not hesitate, EVER.

          But health is an issue always was and always will be. But you certain want to ride into battle with him on your team as long as you can.

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          • D Rock
            Hall of Famer
            • Dec 2008
            • 2797

            #20
            Re: Timmons Extended

            don't expect Insane to return to this thread...at least not with anything useful to add.

            Maybe he will talk about his own incredible physical abilities compared to Lott's though and say he is faster than Mike Wallace. MIKE WALLACE!

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            • phillyesq
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 7568

              #21
              Re: Timmons Extended

              Originally posted by SteelStallion
              6yr/50M per Ed B on 93.7 The Fan
              Good move, good price. I believe that Harris with the jets got about $10 million per in his recent extension.

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              • phillyesq
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 7568

                #22
                Re: Timmons Extended

                Originally posted by Oviedo
                This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

                I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.
                Ah yes, the guy that is smarter than dick lebeau criticizing Internet experts. Pure gold.

                Surely Joe Burnett will be extended next, right?

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                • Jigawatts
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 2639

                  #23
                  Re: Timmons Extended

                  Originally posted by steelblood
                  Originally posted by insanesteelersfan
                  Originally posted by steelblood
                  Originally posted by insanesteelersfan
                  Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles.
                  Polamalu
                  2004 97 tackles
                  2005 92 tackles
                  2006 77 tackles

                  [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6352/career"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6352/career[/url]



                  Solo tackles. The ONLY type that count ( At least for me )...not the additional ones where Troy gets as assisted tackles where he just jumps on the pile 30 seconds after the play is over. Anyone who has ever watched Troy play will tell you he is among the WORST tacklers that has ever played the position. Sure, he might chase the guy down and tackle him. But thats after Troy WHIFFED on the original tackle. So try again MENSA!!
                  Ok, I'll try again.

                  Here is what you said,

                  "He had 7 seasons of 100 + tackles,,,Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles. Lott at 27 had 33 Interceptions in his career, at the same point in his career Troy had half as much. " -insane guy

                  Unfortunately, Tackle data wasn't officially kept before 2001. Even the results that were kept did NOT distinguish between tackles and assists until 1994 (which was Lott's final season). So, any tackles stats that you quote for Lott are 1) completely unreliable and 2) likely include assists.

                  But, even the unofficial stats that were kept only credit Lott with 4 seasons of over 100 tackles, not 7 (of course even those totals likely include those assists you refuse to recognize)[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm[/url]. By the way, if you tackle a ball carrier with the aid of teammate. The runner is still down and the tackle counts. What do you propose we do with that tackle as a statistic?

                  Lott did have a lot of interceptions by the time he was 27. However, he was playing mostly cornerback (4 and 1/2 of the 6 seasons to which you refer). So comparing his early interceptions to Troy's (whom Cowher generally used as an in the box safety) is really a poor and clumsy comparison. Since Tomlin has arrived and Troy has been used more as a two deep safety, his interception totals have been great. In just four years with Tomlin, Troy has two seasons of 7 or more interceptions. Lott had 3 such seasons for his career (and one was at cornerback).

                  My point is not that Troy is better. It is simply that your comparison in inadequate and full of fallacies.
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                  • _SteeL_CurtaiN_
                    Backup
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 258

                    #24
                    Re: Timmons Extended

                    Originally posted by insanesteelersfan
                    Flippy, you never seen Lott play, which means you have ZERO opinion. Comparing Troy to Lott in ANY way is silly. Lott was everybit as fast and Athletic as Troy was. Was as strong as ANY current D-Linemen playing today. And could EASILY just look at someone like Jack Lambert and make him Cry and run to his Momma!! Lott is easily the best DB period to play in the past 50 years. If any safety can compare to Troy it's Kenny Easley, former Seahawk Safety. Easley was a Ballhawk like Troy, and was also equally as dinged up as Troy is. They are both " Finess " players. Lott was a Physical Monster who could play finess, or super physical.


                    Comparing the talents of Troy P to Lott is like saying Kyle Boler..( Troy ) is equal to Terry Bradshaw...( Lott )
                    Thanks for the comic relief I was having a bad day and needed a good laugh!

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                    • pittpete
                      Legend
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 6825

                      #25
                      Re: Timmons Extended

                      don't expect Insane to return to this thread...at least not with anything useful to add.

                      He'll just move to a new thread, spew garbage, call people names, get schooled when people post facts & then dissappear.
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                      • Eddie Spaghetti
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 4123

                        #26
                        Re: Timmons Extended

                        Originally posted by phillyesq
                        Ah yes, the guy that is smarter than bad word lebeau criticizing Internet experts. Pure gold.

                        Surely Joe Burnett will be extended next, right?
                        i always get a chuckle when ovi pulls this move.

                        this is the same "expert" who advocated trading away almost all of our picks a couple of years ago for cj spiller.

                        to the point of the thread, great move by the FO.

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                        • hawaiiansteel
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 35648

                          #27
                          Re: Timmons Extended

                          Originally posted by phillyesq
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

                          I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.
                          Ah yes, the guy that is smarter than bad word lebeau criticizing Internet experts. Pure gold.

                          Surely Joe Burnett will be extended next, right?
                          no, we need to take care of Kraig Urbik first...

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                          • Oviedo
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 23824

                            #28
                            Re: Timmons Extended

                            Originally posted by phillyesq
                            Originally posted by Oviedo
                            This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

                            I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.
                            Ah yes, the guy that is smarter than bad word lebeau criticizing Internet experts. Pure gold.

                            Surely Joe Burnett will be extended next, right?
                            You have to say some things to get you guys to actually participate in this board on a regular basis. Chumming the water always works for some. You just have to know what bait the fishes will bite at

                            I like fishing for the "Red Finned "Love the UDFA" " and the "Spotted "Defend LeBeau Blindly" Herring"

                            You guys have forgotten how to have fun on this board and take your opinions way to seriously.
                            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 24373

                              #29
                              Re: Timmons Extended

                              Originally posted by steelblood
                              Originally posted by insanesteelersfan
                              Originally posted by steelblood
                              Originally posted by insanesteelersfan
                              Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles.
                              Polamalu
                              2004 97 tackles
                              2005 92 tackles
                              2006 77 tackles

                              [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6352/career"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6352/career[/url]



                              Solo tackles. The ONLY type that count ( At least for me )...not the additional ones where Troy gets as assisted tackles where he just jumps on the pile 30 seconds after the play is over. Anyone who has ever watched Troy play will tell you he is among the WORST tacklers that has ever played the position. Sure, he might chase the guy down and tackle him. But thats after Troy WHIFFED on the original tackle. So try again MENSA!!
                              Ok, I'll try again.

                              Here is what you said,

                              "He had 7 seasons of 100 + tackles,,,Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles. Lott at 27 had 33 Interceptions in his career, at the same point in his career Troy had half as much. " -insane guy

                              Unfortunately, Tackle data wasn't officially kept before 2001. Even the results that were kept did NOT distinguish between tackles and assists until 1994 (which was Lott's final season). So, any tackles stats that you quote for Lott are 1) completely unreliable and 2) likely include assists.

                              But, even the unofficial stats that were kept only credit Lott with 4 seasons of over 100 tackles, not 7 (of course even those totals likely include those assists you refuse to recognize)[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm[/url]. By the way, if you tackle a ball carrier with the aid of teammate. The runner is still down and the tackle counts. What do you propose we do with that tackle as a statistic?

                              Lott did have a lot of interceptions by the time he was 27. However, he was playing mostly cornerback (4 and 1/2 of the 6 seasons to which you refer). So comparing his early interceptions to Troy's (whom Cowher generally used as an in the box safety) is really a poor and clumsy comparison. Since Tomlin has arrived and Troy has been used more as a two deep safety, his interception totals have been great. In just four years with Tomlin, Troy has two seasons of 7 or more interceptions. Lott had 3 such seasons for his career (and one was at cornerback).

                              My point is not that Troy is better. It is simply that your comparison in inadequate and full of fallacies.
                              Even current tackle stats are garbage. See: R.Lewis making tackles in games he didn't play.

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                              • D Rock
                                Hall of Famer
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 2797

                                #30
                                Re: Timmons Extended

                                according to Yahoo, James Harrison had a 'pass defensed' against Washington

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