Timmons Extended

[SteelStallion]

6yr/50M per Ed B on 93.7 The Fan

[SteelStallion]

Re: Timmons Extended

Sorry, didn't see the other thread.

Ed B sais no more negotiations this year. Troy prob gets franchise. Wallace is restricted.

[Oviedo]

Re: Timmons Extended

This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.

[papillon]

Re: Timmons Extended

This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.

There isn't anyone on the Steeler roster or any other roster that could take Troy's place. He'll have a unique place in NFL history when he hangs em up. I'd take Troy over Ronnie Lott considered by many to be the gold standard.

Pappy

[Steelers>NFL]

Re: Timmons Extended

If this signing in true, then this is AWESOME news! WOW what a GREAT offseason/camp it has been w/bringing back all important players. As well as getting a good one in Crotchery for nothing!

[steelz09]

Re: Timmons Extended

That's great news.

Sign Troy next, then Wallace.

[insanesteelersfan]

Re: Timmons Extended

This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.

There isn't anyone on the Steeler roster or any other roster that could take Troy's place. He'll have a unique place in NFL history when he hangs em up. I'd take Troy over Ronnie Lott considered by many to be the gold standard.

Pappy

I Love Troy. But it is outright stupidity to compare Troy,, to Ronnie Lott. Troy isn't even a PIMPLE on the A_S_S of Ronnie Lott. Lott was the most physically impossing Safety to ever play. As well as a PURE Ballhawk. He had 7 seasons of 100 + tackles,,,Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles. Lott at 27 had 33 Interceptions in his career, at the same point in his career Troy had half as much. I mean PLEASE...Troy over Lott ???

[ramblinjim]

Re: Timmons Extended

This is excellent news: Deebo, Timmons and Wood all locked into long term deals with one really good looking young defensive end and another that looks pretty good for a rook is an excellent situation to be in with Worilds and Sylvester waiting in the wings.

[flippy]

Re: Timmons Extended

This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.

There isn't anyone on the Steeler roster or any other roster that could take Troy's place. He'll have a unique place in NFL history when he hangs em up. I'd take Troy over Ronnie Lott considered by many to be the gold standard.

Pappy

I Love Troy. But it is outright stupidity to compare Troy,, to Ronnie Lott. Troy isn't even a PIMPLE on the A_S_S of Ronnie Lott. Lott was the most physically impossing Safety to ever play. As well as a PURE Ballhawk. He had 7 seasons of 100 + tackles,,,Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles. Lott at 27 had 33 Interceptions in his career, at the same point in his career Troy had half as much. I mean PLEASE...Troy over Lott ???

It is kinda silly to try and compare anyone to Troy because there's never been a player like the guy.

I've never seen anyone that can defend as much field as Troy can and you can't appreciate just how good he is until you see him play live. I haven't seen Ronnie Lott live, but I doubt he could dream of making some of the plays Troy makes.

The ones that stand out are when Troy is in deep coverage and ends up making tackles in the backfield. Or looks like he's blitzing and ends up making a play in the deep middle of the field.

Troy's football speed is what sets him apart. It totally limits how much field an opponent has to work with.

The modern athlete is so much bigger and faster than they were in Lott's day and Troy stands out on the field more than the great players did back in the day. Making his athleticism even that much more impressive imho.

Plus Lott played mostly CB and FS. He was more of a coverage guy and a hitter. Troy is more of a completely change what the offense can do against this defense.

And Troy is what makes our #1 D work in an era where all the rules support the offense.

It's way harder on modern defenses. And Troy's the key cog in the best defense in the modern era.

There's a reason we're really good and win SuperBowl's when he's healthy. At the end of the day, I think Troy contributes more to the Steelers overall success than Lott did for the 49ers.

So yeah, Lott covers and hits better.

Troy is the once in a lifetime talent that's the better overall defender.

[insanesteelersfan]

Re: Timmons Extended

This is a great move. That is a great deal for a LB on the cusp of making the Pro Bowl. It is especially a good deal for a player deemed to be "soft against the run" by internet experts.

I understand waiting on Troy to make sure he is healthy but there sure isn't anyone on this roster that could take his place.

There isn't anyone on the Steeler roster or any other roster that could take Troy's place. He'll have a unique place in NFL history when he hangs em up. I'd take Troy over Ronnie Lott considered by many to be the gold standard.

Pappy

Flippy, you never seen Lott play, which means you have ZERO opinion. Comparing Troy to Lott in ANY way is silly. Lott was everybit as fast and Athletic as Troy was. Was as strong as ANY current D-Linemen playing today. And could EASILY just look at someone like Jack Lambert and make him Cry and run to his Momma!! Lott is easily the best DB period to play in the past 50 years. If any safety can compare to Troy it's Kenny Easley, former Seahawk Safety. Easley was a Ballhawk like Troy, and was also equally as dinged up as Troy is. They are both " Finess " players. Lott was a Physical Monster who could play finess, or super physical.


Comparing the talents of Troy P to Lott is like saying Kyle Boler..( Troy ) is equal to Terry Bradshaw...( Lott )

[steelblood]

Re: Timmons Extended

Geez, we have a lot money wrapped up in linebackers.

[steelblood]

Re: Timmons Extended

Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles.

Polamalu
2004 97 tackles
2005 92 tackles
2006 77 tackles

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[insanesteelersfan]

Re: Timmons Extended

Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles.

Polamalu
2004 97 tackles
2005 92 tackles
2006 77 tackles

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Solo tackles. The ONLY type that count ( At least for me )...not the additional ones where Troy gets as assisted tackles where he just jumps on the pile 30 seconds after the play is over. Anyone who has ever watched Troy play will tell you he is among the WORST tacklers that has ever played the position. Sure, he might chase the guy down and tackle him. But thats after Troy WHIFFED on the original tackle. So try again MENSA!!

[steelblood]

Re: Timmons Extended

Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles.

Polamalu
2004 97 tackles
2005 92 tackles
2006 77 tackles

[url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6352/career"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6352/career[/url]

Solo tackles. The ONLY type that count ( At least for me )...not the additional ones where Troy gets as assisted tackles where he just jumps on the pile 30 seconds after the play is over. Anyone who has ever watched Troy play will tell you he is among the WORST tacklers that has ever played the position. Sure, he might chase the guy down and tackle him. But thats after Troy WHIFFED on the original tackle. So try again MENSA!!

Ok, I'll try again.

Here is what you said,

"He had 7 seasons of 100 + tackles,,,Troy hasn't ever had one, let alone even a season of 75 tackles. Lott at 27 had 33 Interceptions in his career, at the same point in his career Troy had half as much. " -insane guy

Unfortunately, Tackle data wasn't officially kept before 2001. Even the results that were kept did NOT distinguish between tackles and assists until 1994 (which was Lott's final season). So, any tackles stats that you quote for Lott are 1) completely unreliable and 2) likely include assists.

But, even the unofficial stats that were kept only credit Lott with 4 seasons of over 100 tackles, not 7 (of course even those totals likely include those assists you refuse to recognize)[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LottRo00.htm[/url]. By the way, if you tackle a ball carrier with the aid of teammate. The runner is still down and the tackle counts. What do you propose we do with that tackle as a statistic?

Lott did have a lot of interceptions by the time he was 27. However, he was playing mostly cornerback (4 and 1/2 of the 6 seasons to which you refer). So comparing his early interceptions to Troy's (whom Cowher generally used as an in the box safety) is really a poor and clumsy comparison. Since Tomlin has arrived and Troy has been used more as a two deep safety, his interception totals have been great. In just four years with Tomlin, Troy has two seasons of 7 or more interceptions. Lott had 3 such seasons for his career (and one was at cornerback).

My point is not that Troy is better. It is simply that your comparison in inadequate and full of fallacies.

[williar]

Re: Timmons Extended

Thrilled they extended Timmons and keeping their core of youngs stars together. It shows the steelers committment to continued success. I am loving our FO right about now..... As far as Troy, I have no problem with waiting to see if Troy stays healthy before extending him, if that is what the FO is doing. As special as Troy is, I think it is becoming more frustrating for everyone holding their breath week after week for Troy to stay healthy... With the way he plays he is always a injury waiting to happen. Just like in the game against the eagles. I'm watching Troy run back that interception saying to myself, Troy please get down. No sooner, here comes the big hit right on his Knee/ Thigh area. My first reaction was, there goes the season. If Troy can't stay healthy this season, I'll be like, dude, we love you, but!!!!!