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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 35649

    The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

    The Steelers Linebacker Situation: Taking It One Year At a Time

    by NYSteelersFan4 on May 12, 2011




    The Blitzburgh image was built around the play of great linebackers under the masterful command of defensive coordinator D!ck LeBeau. Greg Lloyd, Kevin Green, Levon Kirkland and Chad Brown were the earliest manifestation of the organized chaos known as the zone blitz, and after many years of outstanding linebacker play in the Black and Gold it appears that going in to next season the Steelers may be in a procarious position with their current Blitzburgh group. Between contract situations and mother nature taking it's course, the front office has some decisions to make between now and next offseason.

    The last few seasons Steelers fans have been fortunate enough to bare witness to some of the best linebacking play we've seen since the original Steel Curtain of the 1970's. Still under the command of the man who brought Blitzburgh to the forefront in the 1990's, D!ck LeBeau, the on field names may change, but the end product has always been a constant. With the assistence of his player general James Farrior; James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley and Lawrence Timmons have all been outstanding playmakers on the defensive side of the ball.

    Now, the captain James Farrior enters his tenth season in Pittsburgh, and his sixteenth season as a professional. He is 36 years old, and will turn 37 in January, hopefully in the midst of another Superbowl run for Pittsburgh. It is safe to ask how many more years he has in him; considering he has already ran straight through the wall of conventional wisdom in terms of players his age.

    James Harrison is in a somewhat similar place in his career. After coming into the league as an undrafted free agent in 2002, Harrison was essentially a journeyman for the early part of his career. In the latter part, he was dominent. He is currently 33, and is signed through 2014. The video of him working out coming off surgery is encouraging, but if you watch him game in game out, there is one part of Harrison's body that takes the most punishment. His back issues are something to keep an eye on. He's a warrior out there, I fully expect him to work himself back into form myself, but you just don't know.

    Lawrence Timmons' age is of absolutely no concern. The dynamic linebacker is about to be 25 in a few days, and has played four full seasons as a member of the Steelers. What is a concern for Timmons is his contract, which runs out after next season.

    LaMarr Woodley signed a one year "Franchise Player" contract just a few weeks ago. Obviously this means after this season he is also a free agent. In the past, the Steelers have used this tag to give them time to work out a new deal with the player tagged, unfortunately the CBA situation has prevented any progress to be made on that front.

    Beyond the starting four linebackers, there is youth to be tapped into, and some veteran presence as well.

    Jason Worilds was a second round pick, who flashed that promise at times last year after a slow start. The Steelers drafted Chris Carter in the fifth round this past draft. It will be interesting to see how these two fare this year, because that will definitely determine the way the OLB situation is handled this offseason.

    As far as the inside linebacker situation, veteran Larry Foote is locked up for the next two years. He will be 31 when the season starts, and for as good as Larry has been in the past for the Steelers, it can't be forgotten that the organization felt they should upgrade his position 4 full seasons ago when they drafted Timmons. They felt confident enough in Lawrence to let Larry leave for Detroit via free agency in 2009. Foote was brought back after one season in Detroit, and is a valuable locker room presence.

    Without seeing the field much last year with the exception of spot duty, his status now is somewhat questionable; not his status on the roster necessarily, but what type of player he will be if pressed into playing time. I have no doubt he'll be ready to play if asked, but what type of play we can expect is another question all together.

    Stevenson Sylvester was drafted in the fifth round in 2010. He played well on special teams, and saw the field as both an inside and outside linebacker last year, which is promising. Much like the young outside linebackers, what Sylvester shows this year will be heavily factored into what the front office does next offseason.

    What this whole thing boils down to is that beyond this season, the linebacker situation in Pittsburgh is pretty much up in the air. The front office will have to decide if they can re-sign two young playmakers, and if they cannot, which one to let go. The front office will also have to assess what they have left in terms of veteran's abilities and some veteran players will be deciding how many more years they want to play (James Farrior being the one with the toughest decision). The young players have a lot to prove if they want to step into any one of these possible openings.

    After this season, the Steelers Front Office has many a decision to make, and many an option to choose from. It may be unrealistic to assume that the four linebackers we currently have will all be back the following year, but how do you see this whole situation being addressed?

    Poll
    If you had to choose one or the other, which player would you re-sign after next season?


    52%
    Lawrence Timmons
    304 votes

    47%
    LaMarr Woodley
    270 votes

    574 total votes

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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #2
    Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

    Timmons' ceitling is far higher than any LB we have. No way I would let him go.

    With the franchise tag, I would love to see if Woodley can be dominant for a full 16 game season not the final eight games and the playoffs. If he wants top dollar he needs to show that this season.
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • sentinel33
      Backup
      • Jun 2010
      • 494

      #3
      Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

      Timmons is the heir-apparent to Captain the LB's once potsie has finished his run.

      I would love to have Woodley back, but Timmons is the priority. In this case, the truth hurts. But maybe he takes his 10 mill. paycheck this year into account and meets the steelers half-way and we get both. I don't know.

      But we keep Timmons. No way we throw away 4 years of grooming.

      Worilds and Carter could be the OLB's of the future. With or without Woodley.
      And we have to re-sign Ike. That, to me, is also a no-brainer.


      On a slightly side note-Wtih the addition of Heyward and Brown on defense through the draft, this could really be the Year of the LB in Pittsburgh.

      This prediction stems from an assumption that Heyward is in the rotation by mid-season and Brown has a hold on the nickle(while pressuring McFadden for the 2-spot).
      Pus, it could be Farriors swan song. You play your A$$ off for Jimmy, danmnit!

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      • flippy
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        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #4
        Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

        It's a no brainer to keep Woodley and Timmons. These guys that suggest one or the other sound high to me.

        And if you're gonna talk about one or the other scenarios, why not throw Troy, Ike, Smitty, Keisel, Harrison, Casey, and Farrior into the mix too. Maybe we have to let some old guy go to keep Woodley and Timmons. THat's gonna be the real decision here.

        Ike could make it easier on us if he left. But he won't. And I don't want him to go.

        Farrior's gotta be getting close to retirement, but maybe not, he's always coming into camp in great shape. Does he take a hair cut to help and become a 2 down player? I'd keep him as long as he wants to stay for the leadership.

        Smitty and Keisel are gonna have to accept reduced roles and less pay to stay. And Hampton's getting old too with no clear successor.

        And Troy if healthy may deserve to be the highet paid player in the league on defense. But can he stay healthy.

        And James is still the most complete defender next to Troy in the game. What do you do with him? Gotta keep him as long as we can too.

        It's tough being stacked.

        But Woodley and Timmons are the young core of the D. No way you let either go.
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        • Oviedo
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 23824

          #5
          Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

          Originally posted by flippy
          It's a no brainer to keep Woodley and Timmons. These guys that suggest one or the other sound high to me.

          And if you're gonna talk about one or the other scenarios, why not throw Troy, Ike, Smitty, Keisel, Harrison, Casey, and Farrior into the mix too. Maybe we have to let some old guy go to keep Woodley and Timmons. THat's gonna be the real decision here.

          Ike could make it easier on us if he left. But he won't. And I don't want him to go.

          Farrior's gotta be getting close to retirement, but maybe not, he's always coming into camp in great shape. Does he take a hair cut to help and become a 2 down player? I'd keep him as long as he wants to stay for the leadership.

          Smitty and Keisel are gonna have to accept reduced roles and less pay to stay. And Hampton's getting old too with no clear successor.

          And Troy if healthy may deserve to be the highet paid player in the league on defense. But can he stay healthy.

          And James is still the most complete defender next to Troy in the game. What do you do with him? Gotta keep him as long as we can too.

          It's tough being stacked.

          But Woodley and Timmons are the young core of the D. No way you let either go.
          I agree 100%. It is time to start letting go of these veterans starting with Aaron Smith this season. He eats up alot of salary cap and no way dores he play 16 games and at best he will just rotate in on the DL. Ziggy proved last year he can be the starter.

          This should also be the last year for Farrior. He is playing on borrowed time and I just want one more good season out of him but this should be his last.

          Troy and harrison are interesting problems. If Troy has another season where he misses a couple of games with injuries do you resign/extend him to a long term contract? Or do you let him walk like Woodson and take the chance he won't be great for a couple more years?

          My real concern is Harrison. If he battles a balky back this season, how long do you hang on to him and eat that salary?
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • hawaiiansteel
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 35649

            #6
            Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

            Originally posted by Oviedo
            It is time to start letting go of these veterans starting with Aaron Smith this season.

            you can tell how much respect Tomlin has for Aaron Smith by the fact that he kept Smitty on the roster even when he was injured last season.

            I highly doubt Tomlin lets him go, I'm betting that Aaron Smith plays at least one more season.

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            • RuthlessBurgher
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 33208

              #7
              Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

              Originally posted by Oviedo
              Originally posted by flippy
              It's a no brainer to keep Woodley and Timmons. These guys that suggest one or the other sound high to me.

              And if you're gonna talk about one or the other scenarios, why not throw Troy, Ike, Smitty, Keisel, Harrison, Casey, and Farrior into the mix too. Maybe we have to let some old guy go to keep Woodley and Timmons. THat's gonna be the real decision here.

              Ike could make it easier on us if he left. But he won't. And I don't want him to go.

              Farrior's gotta be getting close to retirement, but maybe not, he's always coming into camp in great shape. Does he take a hair cut to help and become a 2 down player? I'd keep him as long as he wants to stay for the leadership.

              Smitty and Keisel are gonna have to accept reduced roles and less pay to stay. And Hampton's getting old too with no clear successor.

              And Troy if healthy may deserve to be the highet paid player in the league on defense. But can he stay healthy.

              And James is still the most complete defender next to Troy in the game. What do you do with him? Gotta keep him as long as we can too.

              It's tough being stacked.

              But Woodley and Timmons are the young core of the D. No way you let either go.
              I agree 100%. It is time to start letting go of these veterans starting with Aaron Smith this season. He eats up alot of salary cap and no way dores he play 16 games and at best he will just rotate in on the DL. Ziggy proved last year he can be the starter.

              This should also be the last year for Farrior. He is playing on borrowed time and I just want one more good season out of him but this should be his last.

              Troy and harrison are interesting problems. If Troy has another season where he misses a couple of games with injuries do you resign/extend him to a long term contract? Or do you let him walk like Woodson and take the chance he won't be great for a couple more years?

              My real concern is Harrison. If he battles a balky back this season, how long do you hang on to him and eat that salary?
              There was no salary cap last year, and there may not be one again this year (if Judge Nelson's decision to lift the lockout is upheld in the appeal and we go back to the 2010 rules for 2011).
              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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              • Doogie36
                Backup
                • Dec 2008
                • 274

                #8
                Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

                I personally think too many people get caught up with AGE! There are 2 players on our defense that drastically change stats when they dont play. Those 2 players are Troy P and Aaron Smith. I know this article is about LB's but we tend to always bring up Aaron Smith and salaries and such and it drives me nuts. When Aaron smith plays we give up less running yards per carry! It's that simple! It's proven and every 1/2 yard in the game of football is important. When TROY P plays we give up less points and cause more TURNOVERS per game and again in the game of football all that matters.

                So yes neither guy might not be 100% everygame but again in the game of football it only takes 10 W's usually to make the playoffs and if these guys can turn 10 L's into W's then I want them playing regardless of their age.

                Do you guys remember Terry Bradshaws last game against the JETS? Season was over we werent going anywhere and this guy with an OLD ARM won us a game! A 75% Bradshaw was still better then anyone else at that time and he won us that game. Troy P and Aaron SMith are those type of players on this defense.

                As Steeler fans we dont usually sit around and complain about the one that GOT AWAY on this squad. Our front office is pretty darn good when it comes to letting guys go that we dont end up missing with the exception of Rod Woodson!

                Anyone miss FRANCO when he went to the Seahawks are ran out of bounds on every play????

                Anyone miss Yancey Thigpen, Neil Odonnell, Chad Brown, Joey Porter, Kevin Greene, Plaxico, Santonio, Kordell, Nate Washington???? Just to name a few...............Big names but just roll players!!! They werent a TROY P or a Aaron Smith.

                Again just my take! Can't complain when our front office usually is on point with these types of decisions!

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                • Oviedo
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                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #9
                  Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

                  Originally posted by Doogie36
                  I personally think too many people get caught up with AGE! There are 2 players on our defense that drastically change stats when they dont play. Those 2 players are Troy P and Aaron Smith. I know this article is about LB's but we tend to always bring up Aaron Smith and salaries and such and it drives me nuts. When Aaron smith plays we give up less running yards per carry! It's that simple! It's proven and every 1/2 yard in the game of football is important. When TROY P plays we give up less points and cause more TURNOVERS per game and again in the game of football all that matters.

                  So yes neither guy might not be 100% everygame but again in the game of football it only takes 10 W's usually to make the playoffs and if these guys can turn 10 L's into W's then I want them playing regardless of their age.

                  Do you guys remember Terry Bradshaws last game against the JETS? Season was over we werent going anywhere and this guy with an OLD ARM won us a game! A 75% Bradshaw was still better then anyone else at that time and he won us that game. Troy P and Aaron SMith are those type of players on this defense.

                  As Steeler fans we dont usually sit around and complain about the one that GOT AWAY on this squad. Our front office is pretty darn good when it comes to letting guys go that we dont end up missing with the exception of Rod Woodson!

                  Anyone miss FRANCO when he went to the Seahawks are ran out of bounds on every play????

                  Anyone miss Yancey Thigpen, Neil Odonnell, Chad Brown, Joey Porter, Kevin Greene, Plaxico, Santonio, Kordell, Nate Washington???? Just to name a few...............Big names but just roll players!!! They werent a TROY P or a Aaron Smith.

                  Again just my take! Can't complain when our front office usually is on point with these types of decisions!
                  Age does matter. How long did it take us to get back to the Super Bowl after 1980 when the core of the Steel Curtain became too old? We made the Super Bowl without Smith last year so it is a non-debate that it isn't essential to bring him back. Troy is unique because the defensive coord has designed so much of his scheme around that one player. Troy leaves, you modify and adjust the scheme (something I don't think our DC is willing to do).

                  Fortunately, we have a front office that has been pretty good at keeping the flow of talent into the organization. That is something that was not happening from 1980-1995.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • Doogie36
                    Backup
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 274

                    #10
                    Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

                    Ok i can live with that! When you have a franchise QB it's a lot easier to handle a few injuries here or there as well.

                    So many factors in the game of football but our organization has done a great job but if you want to argue age and Aaron Smith then we really need to argue the point about Hines Ward as well NO?

                    Hines or Aaaron? Lets debate that one!

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                    • Oviedo
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 23824

                      #11
                      Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

                      Originally posted by Doogie36
                      Ok i can live with that! When you have a franchise QB it's a lot easier to handle a few injuries here or there as well.

                      So many factors in the game of football but our organization has done a great job but if you want to argue age and Aaron Smith then we really need to argue the point about Hines Ward as well NO?

                      Hines or Aaaron? Lets debate that one!
                      Hines still has value because we have an unproven group of young WRs. Wallace is on the upswing for sure but Sanders and Brown are far from sure things even though they did show glimmers of what they could do last year.

                      Ziggy clearly proved he could step in and perform to a high level for Smith. No WR has done that yet with regards to Hines. Besides once Hines gets 1000 catches this season to cement his HoF resume I think he too will have to go.
                      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                      • Discipline of Steel
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 3882

                        #12
                        Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

                        Originally posted by Oviedo
                        Originally posted by Doogie36
                        Ok i can live with that! When you have a franchise QB it's a lot easier to handle a few injuries here or there as well.

                        So many factors in the game of football but our organization has done a great job but if you want to argue age and Aaron Smith then we really need to argue the point about Hines Ward as well NO?

                        Hines or Aaaron? Lets debate that one!
                        Hines still has value because we have an unproven group of young WRs. Wallace is on the upswing for sure but Sanders and Brown are far from sure things even though they did show glimmers of what they could do last year.

                        Ziggy clearly proved he could step in and perform to a high level for Smith. No WR has done that yet with regards to Hines. Besides once Hines gets 1000 catches this season to cement his HoF resume I think he too will have to go.
                        Thats like saying Jason Worilds clearly proved he could step in and perform at as high a level as James Harrison.
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                        • Oviedo
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                          • May 2008
                          • 23824

                          #13
                          Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

                          Originally posted by Discipline of Steel
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Originally posted by Doogie36
                          Ok i can live with that! When you have a franchise QB it's a lot easier to handle a few injuries here or there as well.

                          So many factors in the game of football but our organization has done a great job but if you want to argue age and Aaron Smith then we really need to argue the point about Hines Ward as well NO?

                          Hines or Aaaron? Lets debate that one!
                          Hines still has value because we have an unproven group of young WRs. Wallace is on the upswing for sure but Sanders and Brown are far from sure things even though they did show glimmers of what they could do last year.

                          Ziggy clearly proved he could step in and perform to a high level for Smith. No WR has done that yet with regards to Hines. Besides once Hines gets 1000 catches this season to cement his HoF resume I think he too will have to go.
                          Thats like saying Jason Worilds clearly proved he could step in and perform at as high a level as James Harrison.
                          Maybe Worilds or someone else can. Would you have predicted that a player who had been cut three times and was nothing more than a special teams player could become the Defensive Player of the Year?
                          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                          • NJ-STEELER
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                            • May 2008
                            • 12563

                            #14
                            Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

                            as mentioned


                            you dont draft 2 DEs in the first round to sit. so smith and possibly keisel probably wont be back after next year.

                            and you certainly dont keep them on the roster in lieu of the younger, more dynamic LBs we'll have to re sign in wood and timmons

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                            • Captain Lemming
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                              • Jun 2008
                              • 16041

                              #15
                              Re: The Steelers LB Situation: Taking It One Year At A Time

                              Originally posted by Doogie36
                              I personally think too many people get caught up with AGE! There are 2 players on our defense that drastically change stats when they dont play. Those 2 players are Troy P and Aaron Smith. I know this article is about LB's but we tend to always bring up Aaron Smith and salaries and such and it drives me nuts. When Aaron smith plays we give up less running yards per carry! It's that simple! It's proven and every 1/2 yard in the game of football is important.
                              OK, Did you not watch football last year.
                              Did you write this post in 2008 and it JUST APPEARED in this thread?
                              Have you just stepped off the "Back to the Future" Delorian?

                              Because:

                              During Smitty's entire career the Steeler run defense has never been as dominant as it was during the period that he was injured last year and got BETTER in the playoffs.

                              Is Ziggy better than Smitty in his prime? No. Not yet at least.

                              But the to give credit to ONE LINEMAN for the success of our entire run game success is ridiculous.
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