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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #31
    Re: RIP NFL

    Originally posted by Crash
    The Rooneys and other owners are just gonna let their billion dollar franchises just puff up in smoke to save a few million dollars.
    You mean like they are doing now? A $9 BILLION a year industry, and yet the owners are willing to shut it down. You need to remember, this is a lockout, not a strike. The players have their agreement and want to work. It's the owners who are causing this.
    ..and the owners of a $9B business should be able to run their business anyway they want. How many of the companies we work for ask us how and what we want them to run the business?

    The NFL will get the business model they want by the time this is all said and done and the players can then decide whether they want to work for the NFL just like any other employee and any other business. What do you think they will decide? They all have the option to use those free college educations they were given and become successful businessmen themselves can't ehy?????
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • Crash
      Legend
      • Apr 2009
      • 5008

      #32
      Re: RIP NFL

      But at what cost though? If this plays out like it's headed that isn't a good thing. The long term future of the league will be screwed, and for what? A better piece of a $9 billion dollar pie.

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      • papillon
        Legend
        • Mar 2008
        • 11340

        #33
        Re: RIP NFL

        First, I believe that the NFL will lockout the players on Wednesday prior to the union de-certifying on Thursday. I don't think the owners can lock out a non-entity (the union). I think we'll hear of the lockout tomorrow and the decertification on Thursday.

        That then leaves a business entity (NFL) looking for employees. The current employees, on the surface, don't want to play under the draconian conditions set by the business. They don't have to, the business is certainly free to hire new employees. The question becomes how long will they wait before they begin the process replacing their employees. The new employees wouldn't be crossing a picket line or be considered scabs, because there is no union, they are simply men looking for work.

        The kink in this whole thing for the owners could be the judge (Doty) that has been presiding over the current CBA. He is definitely in the corner of the players.

        I would also assume that all contracts will be honored, after all, they are contracts signed by both parties. The question becomes is there language about being paid only if there is training camp, pre-season and games. Are the owners obligated to pay even if there isn't football? After all, a contract is a contract, correct?

        Phillyesq needs to stop by and give us the skinny on the legal aspects of decertifying and what it means. Calling Phillyesq, calling Phillyesq...

        Interesting times ahead.

        Pappy
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        • Crash
          Legend
          • Apr 2009
          • 5008

          #34
          Re: RIP NFL

          You can't use scabs during a lockout can you? I thought you can only do that during a strike?

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          • steelblood
            Hall of Famer
            • May 2008
            • 4166

            #35
            Re: RIP NFL

            Crash is crashing.
            Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27531

              #36
              Re: RIP NFL

              Originally posted by Oviedo
              Originally posted by Crash
              The Rooneys and other owners are just gonna let their billion dollar franchises just puff up in smoke to save a few million dollars.
              You mean like they are doing now? A $9 BILLION a year industry, and yet the owners are willing to shut it down. You need to remember, this is a lockout, not a strike. The players have their agreement and want to work. It's the owners who are causing this.
              ..and the owners of a $9B business should be able to run their business anyway they want. How many of the companies we work for ask us how and what we want them to run the business?

              The NFL will get the business model they want by the time this is all said and done and the players can then decide whether they want to work for the NFL just like any other employee and any other business. What do you think they will decide? They all have the option to use those free college educations they were given and become successful businessmen themselves can't ehy?????
              Coke changed their flavor because they could?
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27531

                #37
                Re: RIP NFL

                With three days until the owners lock out the players for refusing to give up their claims to $1 billion of the sport's $9 billion in annual revenues, local officials and players are raising concerns that a canceled season could deprive cities of needed economic activity -- as much as $160 million per city, according to the NFL Players Association -- at the worst time possible. But now that the argument is working against it, the NFL calls such concerns "fairy tales."

                Economists have debunked claims that a shutdown would devastate a stadium's host city, or that a new stadium offers the kind of windfall that would justify significant public contributions. But NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had a different take in 1997, when he was a league executive. "A new stadium provides more than just a new place to watch a game," Goodell said at the time. "It can revitalize and stabilize both a team and a city."
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • Crash
                  Legend
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 5008

                  #38
                  Re: RIP NFL

                  Outstanding!

                  Friggin' Goodell....

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                  • Chadman
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 6537

                    #39
                    Re: RIP NFL

                    Originally posted by Crash
                    The Rooneys and other owners are just gonna let their billion dollar franchises just puff up in smoke to save a few million dollars.
                    You mean like they are doing now? A $9 BILLION a year industry, and yet the owners are willing to shut it down. You need to remember, this is a lockout, not a strike. The players have their agreement and want to work. It's the owners who are causing this.

                    Crash- if the 'players have their agreement' as you claim, why is their a labour dispute? Who is their agreement with? And if they are happy with their work conditions- why are they asking for a piece of the extra billion dollars the owners share? They don't have an agreement, and they only want to work if they get more money out of it.

                    It's a two way street- the owners are not solely to blame for the current situation.
                    The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                    Light up the darkness.

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                    • Crash
                      Legend
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 5008

                      #40
                      Re: RIP NFL

                      Crash- if the 'players have their agreement' as you claim, why is their a labour dispute?
                      Because the owners, not the players, opted out.

                      The players want to play. To the point they may decertify to try and force the 2011 season to go on under the current terms of the CBA.

                      And if they are happy with their work conditions- why are they asking for a piece of the extra billion dollars the owners share?
                      You have it backwards. It's the OWNERS who want an extra billion shaved off the top. They now want two billion before the revenue split.

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                      • Oviedo
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 23824

                        #41
                        Re: RIP NFL

                        Originally posted by Crash
                        Crash- if the 'players have their agreement' as you claim, why is their a labour dispute?
                        Because the owners, not the players, opted out.

                        The players want to play. To the point they may decertify to try and force the 2011 season to go on under the current terms of the CBA.

                        [quote:2dsrck7v]And if they are happy with their work conditions- why are they asking for a piece of the extra billion dollars the owners share?
                        You have it backwards. It's the OWNERS who want an extra billion shaved off the top. They now want two billion before the revenue split.[/quote:2dsrck7v]

                        The extra billion has always been off the top. It was not accounted for to cover things like the start up and operation of the NFL network and building new stadiums. In their last proposal to the owners the players actually put that back into the equation so their proposal actually took more from the owners because of their basis of net versus gross revenues. So Chadman is right. It is the players trying to redefine the starting point.
                        "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                        • aggiebones
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 1427

                          #42
                          Re: RIP NFL

                          Originally posted by Crash
                          The Rooneys and other owners are just gonna let their billion dollar franchises just puff up in smoke to save a few million dollars.
                          You mean like they are doing now? A $9 BILLION a year industry, and yet the owners are willing to shut it down. You need to remember, this is a lockout, not a strike. The players have their agreement and want to work. It's the owners who are causing this.

                          OK, one last comment.

                          So, there's no difference in the long run between a strike and a lockout. In the end, its a tool to force one side to do something. The owners are locking the players out. So what? Then they get the deal done at some later point and the union will get the band back together and they'll play. Why, cause 90% of the players will be retiring in 5 years and need the money. And those that follow will have no hard feelings cause they were still in college at the time. If the players hold out, then they'll lose a portion of this year possibly...and they'll never get it back. Cause even if they win as a union, they won't all win. Some may get higher contracts, some won't. The line in the and will be crossed or they will be making a big mistake.
                          Remember, back in '87 players held second jobs cause they had to for the most part. They don't need to know. They get no sympathy from fans.


                          If you want to worry about the league shutting down or become ruined, then keep a close eye on the concussion syndrome problems. They will be the undoing of the violent nature of the league. Cause better helmets won't do it. That will just trigger more neck traumas cause the guys will hit faster and harder. This is where you need to worry Crash. Not about lawyers pulling tricks to get someone else to blink. If the owners said, we want half your money, the players would really have to give it to them. What are they really gonna do? Sell their wares elsewhere? The owners are just reminding them who the owners are. The players like to believe it is their league, but they are just employees.

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                          • Blockhead
                            Backup
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 298

                            #43
                            Re: RIP NFL

                            Originally posted by Chadman
                            Crash- if the 'players have their agreement' as you claim, why is their a labour dispute? Who is their agreement with? And if they are happy with their work conditions- why are they asking for a piece of the extra billion dollars the owners share? They don't have an agreement, and they only want to work if they get more money out of it.

                            It's a two way street- the owners are not solely to blame for the current situation.
                            The players got a deal better than many owners wanted last time. That's why they put in place the ability for the owners to get out of it. They chose to take that path as the expense growth is rising faster than the revenue growth, thus the owners makine less of a percentage.

                            The players now will realize they are all replaceable employees. I hope the owners stick to their guns until they get a deal they are happy to accept. Without the owners, there is no league. The players come and go.

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                            • Oviedo
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 23824

                              #44
                              Re: RIP NFL

                              Originally posted by aggiebones
                              Originally posted by Crash
                              The Rooneys and other owners are just gonna let their billion dollar franchises just puff up in smoke to save a few million dollars.
                              You mean like they are doing now? A $9 BILLION a year industry, and yet the owners are willing to shut it down. You need to remember, this is a lockout, not a strike. The players have their agreement and want to work. It's the owners who are causing this.

                              OK, one last comment.

                              So, there's no difference in the long run between a strike and a lockout. In the end, its a tool to force one side to do something. The owners are locking the players out. So what? Then they get the deal done at some later point and the union will get the band back together and they'll play. Why, cause 90% of the players will be retiring in 5 years and need the money. And those that follow will have no hard feelings cause they were still in college at the time. If the players hold out, then they'll lose a portion of this year possibly...and they'll never get it back. Cause even if they win as a union, they won't all win. Some may get higher contracts, some won't. The line in the and will be crossed or they will be making a big mistake.
                              Remember, back in '87 players held second jobs cause they had to for the most part. They don't need to know. They get no sympathy from fans.


                              If you want to worry about the league shutting down or become ruined, then keep a close eye on the concussion syndrome problems. They will be the undoing of the violent nature of the league. Cause better helmets won't do it. That will just trigger more neck traumas cause the guys will hit faster and harder. This is where you need to worry Crash. Not about lawyers pulling tricks to get someone else to blink. If the owners said, we want half your money, the players would really have to give it to them. What are they really gonna do? Sell their wares elsewhere? The owners are just reminding them who the owners are. The players like to believe it is their league, but they are just employees.
                              This is why the owners win. The players offer a niche skillset with a very, very limited market

                              If the owners said, we want half your money, the players would really have to give it to them. What are they really gonna do? Sell their wares elsewhere? The owners are just reminding them who the owners are. The players like to believe it is their league, but they are just employees.
                              The players all know it, their union knows it. As I have stated many times it is just a matter of how long the union wants to drag out the inevitable.
                              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                              • Crash
                                Legend
                                • Apr 2009
                                • 5008

                                #45
                                Re: RIP NFL

                                The owners don't care about player safety or concussion issues.

                                If they did they wouldn't be trying to hawk 18 regular season games and flat out lying by saying thats what fans want.

                                Fans don't want 18 games. They want a break in cost of pre-season tickets.

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