RIP NFL

[Crash]

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If the Union decertifies and the owners don't declare an impasse and they lockout they will "win" but in reality everyone looses.

[Blockhead]

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If the Union decertifies and the owners don't declare an impasse and they lockout they will "win" but in reality everyone looses.

maybe they"ll tighten it back up?

[hawaiiansteel]

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in case of a prolonged lockout, there's gotta be some kind of football that we can watch ...

[Chadman]

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Are you ready for some....football?

[Djfan]

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If it's as dire as some here think, the UFL will get some good players to add to their product.

I watched much of it this year and enjoyed it. It was surprising how many names you would all recognize.

[Crash]

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If the NFLPA decertifies and the players are then locked out? It's dire. Like I said best case scenario is an extension of the Thursday night deadline. They aren't going to get a deal done in three days.

[Oviedo]

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Drama queens much???????

The NFL is not going anywhere. This is a labor battle that the owners will ultimately win. The only question is how much pain and suffering will the players union and their idiot leader force on the players in the name of labor solidarity.

[Oviedo]

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Good article and reason why the players need to stop being led off the cliff by a union leaders who pretends they are like poor minimum wage coal miners or janitors. They are highly paid professionals not suffering blue collar workers. Time for the charade to be dropped.

The owners will win. It's only about how much damage Dumbius Smith will do trying to establish his rep as a labor leader.

NFL may be able to weather 2-year lockout
By Chris Isidore, senior writerFebruary 28, 2011: 5:00 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- National Football League owners will continue to generate much of their revenue in 2011, even if next season's games are cancelled due to a labor dispute, according to a note Monday by rating agency Standard & Poor's.

In fact, some teams may be able to survive two years without any games being played, according to S&P, which said it has confidential debt ratings on various stadium bonds for facilities used by NFL teams and also tracks teams' finances.

Email Print CommentIf there is a work stoppage, the owners will have to pay most of the money they receive in 2011 back with interest once games resume.

But the continued flow of money from television networks, sponsors and some customers during a possible lockout puts the owners in good position to weather a potential canceled season.

The owners and the NFL Players Association are in negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement ahead of a Friday deadline. Without an agreement, a lockout of players could start that day.

Even though there are no games scheduled to be played until September, there are fears that the 2011 season could be lost as the league and players fight over how much revenue should be available to players.

Citing the ongoing talks, a spokeswoman for the NFLPA declined to comment on the S&P report. Spokesmen for the NFL did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

S&P said the league's estimated revenue was about $9 billion last year, with the biggest share of that money coming from television rights deals, which it said will provide it with $4 billion in revenue in 2011.

The networks will be contractually required to pay that money to the league even if the games are not played, although the league will have to pay that money back to the networks, with interest, once games resume.

But that revenue stream, which S&P said is being challenged in court by the union, is an important source of funds that would help the owners avoid any default on their own obligations.

S&P also estimates that 50% to 80% of stadium revenues are generated from what it terms "contractually obligated income" from the sale of luxury suites, club seats, and in-stadium advertising.

The contract provisions typically require payment even if football games are not played, although once again, some of this revenue would need to be repaid once the games resume.

In judging the owners' ability to survive a prolonged lockout, S&P also cited a report in trade publication Sports Business Journal, that the league has built up a strategic reserve fund of about $900 million that teams can access in case of a work stoppage.

[Crash]

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The NFL is not going anywhere.

If the union decertifies and then the NFL locks the players out? The NFL is no more. You need to read this stuff. The MINUTE a lockout happens to a decertified NFLPA? The NFL and the Steelers as we know it, are dead.

[Oviedo]

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The NFL is not going anywhere.

If the union decertifies and then the NFL locks the players out? The NFL is no more. You need to read this stuff. The MINUTE a lockout happens to a decertified NFLPA? The NFL and the Steelers as we know it, are dead.

Wrong. The NFL as a business entity continues. There may be no union but a court will decide that since the decertification has been contrived as a negotiating ploy.

The NFL business entity can continue to conduct business anyway they determine appropriate. The reality is that there are more players wanting to play in the NFL than jobs available. That is why the players will lose and why the union has to resort to legal maneuvering to prolong this.

[Crash]

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The NFL is not going anywhere.

If the union decertifies and then the NFL locks the players out? The NFL is no more. You need to read this stuff. The MINUTE a lockout happens to a decertified NFLPA? The NFL and the Steelers as we know it, are dead.

Wrong. The NFL as a business entity continues. There may be no union but a court will decide that since the decertification has been contrived as a negotiating ploy.

The NFL business entity can continue to conduct business anyway they determine appropriate. The reality is that there are more players wanting to play in the NFL than jobs available. That is why the players will lose and why the union has to resort to legal maneuvering to prolong this.

Um, this all started because the OWNERS opted out of the agreement. Not the players.

If both of those instances above occur? Are current player contracts even valid at that point? If the NFL "ceases operations" what contracts do players have to abide by?

[aggiebones]

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Yes, the owners and their lawyers are complete morons Crash.

The Rooneys and other owners are just gonna let their billion dollar franchises just puff up in smoke to save a few million dollars.
And the players would be much happier in a league like the UFL and get paid $30-100,000 for the next 3-5 years while they work out making it a legit league. The veterans would only lose between $1mil to 15Mil a year. No worries, they'll have fought the league and ... 'won?' lol


I assumed by some of your obsessive behaviors here that you were a young 20 yr old, but maybe you are more like 18-19. You really need to settle down on your overblowing things.

I'm signing off on this thread. Farewell.

[Oviedo]

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The NFL is not going anywhere.

If the union decertifies and then the NFL locks the players out? The NFL is no more. You need to read this stuff. The MINUTE a lockout happens to a decertified NFLPA? The NFL and the Steelers as we know it, are dead.

Wrong. The NFL as a business entity continues. There may be no union but a court will decide that since the decertification has been contrived as a negotiating ploy.

The NFL business entity can continue to conduct business anyway they determine appropriate. The reality is that there are more players wanting to play in the NFL than jobs available. That is why the players will lose and why the union has to resort to legal maneuvering to prolong this.

Um, this all started because the OWNERS opted out of the agreement. Not the players.

If both of those instances above occur? Are current player contracts even valid at that point? If the NFL "ceases operations" what contracts do players have to abide by?

If as you say, they have no contracts (not sure that is legally true) as you describe and all that enables them to do is go to the CFL. How many do you think want to do that?

The owners control the source of employment and therefore the access to the dollars the players wants and need. Therefore they have the upper hand and the end state will be a solution more on their side of the ledger than the players. Therefore as I have said it is only a mmatter of how much Dumbius Smith wants to drag this out.

Even if the players give the owners back all the revenue they want and agree to 18 games they at a minimum still will earn hundreds of thousands of dollars and many will earn millions. Hardly abused suffering workers.

[Crash]

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The Rooneys and other owners are just gonna let their billion dollar franchises just puff up in smoke to save a few million dollars.

You mean like they are doing now? A $9 BILLION a year industry, and yet the owners are willing to shut it down. You need to remember, this is a lockout, not a strike. The players have their agreement and want to work. It's the owners who are causing this.

[Blockhead]

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Contract negotiations take time and are hard to understand, especially if you never have been through it.