Board poll draft - round 3

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

if we are taking CB Brandon Harris in Round 1 then I want OG/OT Marcus Cannon in Round 2.

[steelerkeylargo]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

Out of that group I would take Watkins.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

if we are taking CB Brandon Harris in Round 1 then I want OG/OT Marcus Cannon in Round 2.

That's why I was wondering why Cannon was not an option in our poll.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Board poll draft - round 1

Dee you are entitled to your opinion. I am just giving mine based on breaking down multiple games. Keep in mind I am not saying he can't play. I compare him to Thomas DeCoud of the Falcons who is a solid FS. I am simply saying he is not first round talent. Also if you are comparing Moore to Ed Reed I will have to question your evaluation skills. The following is also a report on Moore from a former NFL Scout whose opinion I respect.


Strengths: Has excellent overall athletic ability, play speed, and range for the position at the NFL level. Has loose hips, good bend, and quick feet in coverage. Has outstanding overall coverage instincts, awareness, and anticipation skills. Has excellent closing ability on plays in front of him as a zone defender. Has the speed and transition skills to be an effective man-to-man coverage player against a running back, tight end, or slot receiver. Takes above average pursuit angles in run support. He has great timing as blitzer.

Weaknesses: Is a bit undersized and lacks much growth potential to develop for the position at the NFL level. Lacks elite long speed, acceleration, and recovery speed downfield in man-to-man coverage. Is a inconsistent tackler on the move in space. Can be in great man-to-man coverage position against a big wide receiver or tight end, but not have a chance to make a play on the ball because of his lack of size. Does not have return value for special teams.

Bottom line: Moore is a true junior and three-year starter at free safety in 2010. He led the nation with 10 interceptions in 2009. Overall, he merits high third-round draft consideration by a team looking for a potential first-year starter at free safety as a rookie. He is at least a strong third deep safety and core member of special teams.

I am not comparing Moore to Reed in any way what so ever. I am just pointing out that the best scouts in the entire world ( those that work for NFL teams), had negatives on Reed coming out and actually most had Roy Williams rated ahead of him.

And if someone is going to knock Rahim Moore down because of his less than average tackling ability I say that many had the same issues with Ed Reed. And to do that on a free safety that is sort of redundant. They make their money for the most part covering not tackling.

[steelerkeylargo]

Re: Board poll draft - round 1

Dee you are entitled to your opinion. I am just giving mine based on breaking down multiple games. Keep in mind I am not saying he can't play. I compare him to Thomas DeCoud of the Falcons who is a solid FS. I am simply saying he is not first round talent. Also if you are comparing Moore to Ed Reed I will have to question your evaluation skills. The following is also a report on Moore from a former NFL Scout whose opinion I respect.


Strengths: Has excellent overall athletic ability, play speed, and range for the position at the NFL level. Has loose hips, good bend, and quick feet in coverage. Has outstanding overall coverage instincts, awareness, and anticipation skills. Has excellent closing ability on plays in front of him as a zone defender. Has the speed and transition skills to be an effective man-to-man coverage player against a running back, tight end, or slot receiver. Takes above average pursuit angles in run support. He has great timing as blitzer.

Weaknesses: Is a bit undersized and lacks much growth potential to develop for the position at the NFL level. Lacks elite long speed, acceleration, and recovery speed downfield in man-to-man coverage. Is a inconsistent tackler on the move in space. Can be in great man-to-man coverage position against a big wide receiver or tight end, but not have a chance to make a play on the ball because of his lack of size. Does not have return value for special teams.

Bottom line: Moore is a true junior and three-year starter at free safety in 2010. He led the nation with 10 interceptions in 2009. Overall, he merits high third-round draft consideration by a team looking for a potential first-year starter at free safety as a rookie. He is at least a strong third deep safety and core member of special teams.

I am not comparing Moore to Reed in any way what so ever. I am just pointing out that the best scouts in the entire world ( those that work for NFL teams), had negatives on Reed coming out and actually most had Roy Williams rated ahead of him.

And if someone is going to knock Rahim Moore down because of his less than average tackling ability I say that many had the same issues with Ed Reed. And to do that on a free safety that is sort of redundant. They make their money for the most part covering not tackling.

Like I said Moore will fit just fin in a Tampa 2 defense. I am sure Tomlin would love to have him if he still ran that type of D. Moore will be a starting FS. Just not one worthy of a first round pick and certainly not for the Steelers.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Board poll draft - round 1

Like I said Moore will fit just fin in a Tampa 2 defense. I am sure Tomlin would love to have him if he still ran that type of D. Moore will be a starting FS. Just not one worthy of a first round pick and certainly not for the Steelers.

Wait a minute...are you saying he can't play in a zone blitz? And are you saying his skill set isnt better than Ryan Clarks? He is not a better cover Safety than Clark?

[steelerkeylargo]

Re: Board poll draft - round 1

Like I said Moore will fit just fin in a Tampa 2 defense. I am sure Tomlin would love to have him if he still ran that type of D. Moore will be a starting FS. Just not one worthy of a first round pick and certainly not for the Steelers.

Wait a minute...are you saying he can't play in a zone blitz? And are you saying his skill set isnt better than Ryan Clarks? He is not a better cover Safety than Clark?

I am saying that Dick LeBeau defenses are predicated on position versatility and components being able to be interchanged seemlessly. Rahim Moore will not be a physical enough player to come down and play in the box. P.S. THE ARGUMENT IS NOT WHETHER HE IS BETTER THAN RYAN CLARK OR NOT. MY POSITION IS THAT HE IS NOT A FRIST ROUND PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dee Dub]

Re: Board poll draft - round 1

Like I said Moore will fit just fin in a Tampa 2 defense. I am sure Tomlin would love to have him if he still ran that type of D. Moore will be a starting FS. Just not one worthy of a first round pick and certainly not for the Steelers.

Wait a minute...are you saying he can't play in a zone blitz? And are you saying his skill set isnt better than Ryan Clarks? He is not a better cover Safety than Clark?

I am saying that bad word LeBeau defenses are predicated on position versatility and components being able to be interchanged seemlessly. Rahim Moore will not be a physical enough player to come down and play in the box. P.S. THE ARGUMENT IS NOT WHETHER HE IS BETTER THAN RYAN CLARK OR NOT. MY POSITION IS THAT HE IS NOT A FRIST ROUND PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok not taking a shot at you but I guess we watch two different teams. Ryan Clark is very rarely asked to play at or near the box. That is what he uses his Strong Safety for—Troy Polamalu. The hole the Steelers have at safety is that they are now forced to keep Troy back in a deep cover 2 shell. If they had another safety who could cover, Lebeau could use Troy again more aggressively at or near the box and line of scrimmage. As a result the Steelers are very vulnerable now in that middle seam area. See Super Bowl.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

Sorry guys. For some reason the poll option is not allowing me to list the picks that I want, and instead puts in duplicates and omits some of the choices that I have tried putting in. I don't get it as I can preview it correctly, but then when I submit it the picks come out looking like these. So, unless someone can fix it I guess that there will not be a poll.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

Sorry guys. For some reason the poll option is not allowing me to list the picks that I want, and instead puts in duplicates and omits some of the choices that I have tried putting in. I don't get it as I can preview it correctly, but then when I submit it the picks come out looking like these. So, unless someone can fix it I guess that there will not be a poll.

I think I fixed it. Everyone has to vote again, though, since the original poll had to be deleted.

[Oviedo]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

if we are taking CB Brandon Harris in Round 1 then I want OG/OT Marcus Cannon in Round 2.

I agree. I really like Cannon.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

Sorry guys. For some reason the poll option is not allowing me to list the picks that I want, and instead puts in duplicates and omits some of the choices that I have tried putting in. I don't get it as I can preview it correctly, but then when I submit it the picks come out looking like these. So, unless someone can fix it I guess that there will not be a poll.

I think I fixed it. Everyone has to vote again, though, since the original poll had to be deleted.

Thanks Ruthless. I went with the Walter pick once again and took Cannon.

[Shawn]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

None of the above.

If Dowling isn't there I want Muhammad Wilkerson.

[steelerkeylargo]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

None of the above.

If Dowling isn't there I want Muhammad Wilkerson.

Wilkerson is a beast. Watch for him to really wow at the combine.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Board poll draft - round 2

None of the above.

If Dowling isn't there I want Muhammad Wilkerson.

The Walterfootball draft that we are using as a basis for this poll has Wilkerson going 30th overall to the Jets, so he would not have even been a possibility for our 1st round pick, never mind our 2nd rounder.